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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: A rethink of the Ivy migration
Date Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:58:50 GMT
David Crossley wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
>> So, should we continue with managing our own dependencies or should we 
>> jump the short term hurdle and get the ivy branch working with Cocoon 
>> 2.2 snapshots?
> So far i like your plan.
> It would need some Forrest people with serious Java skills
> to do it. There is more than just the CLI to deal with.
> Carsten recently gave us some tips on this dev list about
> how to proceed.

I think we have that (and I wouldn't say "serious" java skills, just 
some java skill).

> There are some issues.
> See the comments on [1]
> about the "Snapshot Repositories".
> Particlarly: "...but should not be referenced in released
> versions of your Apache project."

We already include a snapshot in our releases. As for referencing the 
snapshot repo in the ivy configuration we need to do this in order to do 
integration testing.

> One thing is that Cocoon-2.2 will probably be properly
> released soon. We can help to move that forward.

Yes, I noticed that on their list (trying to catch up with what has 
happened to date).

> Another thing is that the Forrest project has decided
> in the past that it is okay to use snapshot versions.
> Not sure if that is a wise or well-informed decision.

In the early days we were forced to use a snapshot as we were patching 
trunk to achieve things in Cocoon that we needed. It's been a very long 
time since we needed to do this. Perhaps it is time to revisit this issue.

> On a related matter, i was liking our new approach to
> managing our own dependencies. Having an Ivy descriptor
> for each product enabled us to clearly describe each,
> say where its home, what its license is, and link to
> a jar in a maven repo. Nice.

This is a very good point, if we take it along with Thorstens 
observation that an output of managing our own descriptors would be a 
valuable contribution to the Ivy project I begin to think the extra work 
would be worth it.

However, for this to be the case we should remove the maven repos from 
our ivyconf.xml file an only use the ivy repos. This increases our work 
in the short term even more.

The advantages would be:

- significant contribution to an ivy repo
- full control over our own descriptors and dependencies (i.e. control 
over license information, second tier dependencies etc.)
- no need to update Cocoon until 0.9-dev cycle (i.e. time to address the 
CLI issue)

I'm starting to think my very first plan was the right one.


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