Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 66730 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2006 08:10:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 16 Mar 2006 08:10:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 58862 invoked by uid 500); 16 Mar 2006 08:10:39 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 58822 invoked by uid 500); 16 Mar 2006 08:10:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@forrest.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@forrest.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 58811 invoked by uid 99); 16 Mar 2006 08:10:38 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:10:38 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [65.77.211.84] (HELO www2.kc.aoindustries.com) (65.77.211.84) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:10:38 -0800 Received: from fo2.kc.aoindustries.com (www2.kc.aoindustries.com [65.77.211.84]) by www2.kc.aoindustries.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k2G8AHVq025593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:10:17 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by fo2.kc.aoindustries.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k2G8AGZO025500 for dev@forrest.apache.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:10:16 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: fo2.kc.aoindustries.com: indexgeo set sender to crossley@apache.org using -f Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:10:09 +1100 From: David Crossley To: dev@forrest.apache.org Subject: Re: Forrest history (was Re: svn commit: r384121) Message-ID: <20060316081009.GC11985@igg.indexgeo.com.au> References: <20060308051923.51916.qmail@minotaur.apache.org> <1141863726.8483.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060309014740.GB24866@igg.indexgeo.com.au> <1141933496.8277.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1141933496.8277.9.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Thorsten Scherler wrote: > David Crossley escribi??: > ... > > > > > > I like history and the humanity would be nothing if not people would > > > have kept track when and how something happen. > > > > > > Do not get me wrong but I would like to start a history page about > > > forrest (here) and keeping track of who did what, because it helps to > > > understand us currently as project and where we are heading. > > > > I definitely do not want us to start keeping track > > of who did what. That is very dangerous in open source > > projects. It works against community-building. > > Well that is your personal opinion. Every statement is our personal opinion and we don't need to keep saying so. > I never have seen university nor commercial studies providing evidence > for such a relation. Do you have any proof or concrete examples for this > claim? The ASF and its ways is starting to be discussed in such fora, but really we are breaking new ground in community building. It is obvious to me that if we start making a special list of who did what, then we will get into hot water. Listing certain people and not *every* person who made a contribution will cause various troubles. Here are some ... * Inferiority complex. * Mistaken impression about "leadership". There are no leaders in Apache communities. We are essentially all equal developers. The committed ones will eventually become committers. * Maintenance nightmare. Who is going to wade through our history and list all the deserving contributions. Who will keep it up-to-date. * Impossible to determine who is a "deserving contributor". -David