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From David Crossley <cross...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Forrest history (was Re: svn commit: r384121)
Date Thu, 09 Mar 2006 01:47:40 GMT
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> > New Revision: 384121
> > 
> > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs?rev=384121&view=rev
> > Log:
> > She did this, he did that, none of it would be possible without the rest of us.
> > Lets not start claiming ownership. Where would we stop?
> > 
> > Modified:
> >     forrest/trunk/site-author/content/xdocs/live-sites.xml
> > 
> > Modified: forrest/trunk/site-author/content/xdocs/live-sites.xml
> > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs/forrest/trunk/site-author/content/xdocs/live-sites.xml?rev=384121&r1=384120&r2=384121&view=diff
> > ==============================================================================
> > --- forrest/trunk/site-author/content/xdocs/live-sites.xml (original)
> > +++ forrest/trunk/site-author/content/xdocs/live-sites.xml Tue Mar  7 21:19:18 2006
> > @@ -159,7 +159,7 @@
> >            new features like the theme switcher.</li>
> >          <li><link href="http://www.target-x.de/">tarGET-X</link>
- know the 
> >            unknown. The original idea of this site is to be a service broker. It

> > -          is the website of the dispatcher inventor: Thorsten Scherler.
> > +          is the website of Forrest committer: Thorsten Scherler.
> >            </li>
> >          <!--  <li><link href=""></link></li> -->
> >        </ul>
> 
> What about http://cocoon.apache.org/history.html?

I also disagree with Stefano saying that he invented
Cocoon and Forrest.

> It is not *ownership* that "is the website of the dispatcher inventor:
> Thorsten Scherler" claims but stating the matter of fact. I had the itch
> and scratched it (and still do) as a historical fact. ;)
> 
> Stefano Mazzocchi is the inventor of cocoon and Sir Berners-Lee is the
> inventor of the www, neither one of them claims ownership AFAIK. Another
> story is the net and the US government. ;) The initial forrest code is
> coming from Nicola Ken Barozzi and Ross Gardler has started the plugins
> both do not claim ownership neither do I with views aka v2 aka
> dispatcher, still the initial code came from this people.
> 
> Doing some research on the forrest history for my presentation I noticed
> that we are starting to hide historical facts and motives. I know we
> still have all this information but it is well hidden (e.g. [1]).
> 
> Why?
>
> I strongly agree with "none of it would be possible without the rest of
> us" but one should not confuse one thing from the other. 
> 
> Like the very first dispatcher site ever online is from Diwaker Gupta
> [2], helping us (especially me, back then) to demonstrate that one can
> use the dispatcher in production. It was the very first version
> codename: view. Thanks again Diwaker.
> 
> I like history and the humanity would be nothing if not people would
> have kept track when and how something happen.
> 
> Do not get me wrong but I would like to start a history page about
> forrest (here) and keeping track of who did what, because it helps to
> understand us currently as project and where we are heading. 

I definitely do not want us to start keeping track
of who did what. That is very dangerous in open source
projects. It works against community-building.

As i said, where will we stop and who will we leave out
and who will we include? Are we going to dig out the
many things that i did for the project? No way.

> wdyt?

I think that it is the wrong approach.

> BTW why do we versioning old docu? ;)

Please explain what you mean.

-David

> [1] http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_80/primer.html
> [2] http://floatingsun.net/
> -- 
> thorsten
> 
> "Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
> Hey you (Pink Floyd)
> 

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