Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 22169 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 11:37:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 11:37:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 53754 invoked by uid 500); 7 Nov 2005 11:37:40 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 53570 invoked by uid 500); 7 Nov 2005 11:37:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@forrest.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@forrest.apache.org List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 53559 invoked by uid 99); 7 Nov 2005 11:37:39 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 03:37:39 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [80.242.32.2] (HELO dmzms01.aramiska.net) (80.242.32.2) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 03:37:33 -0800 Received: from ip-213-92-134-135.aramiska-arc.aramiska.net (ip-213-92-134-135.aramiska-arc.aramiska.net [213.92.134.135]) by dmzms01.aramiska.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06BFD1100F5 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ip-213-92-134-135.aramiska-arc.aramiska.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D0056A2 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.164.188] (ip-192-168-1-3.internal.rhbmesh.aramiska.net [192.168.1.3]) by ip-213-92-134-135.aramiska-arc.aramiska.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4B64023 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:37:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <436F3C61.7010704@apache.org> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 11:37:05 +0000 From: Ross Gardler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@forrest.apache.org Subject: Re: vague issues with Forrest use References: <20051031100414.GA12278@igg.indexgeo.com.au> <43660820.60003@apache.org> <20051107041120.GA4562@igg.indexgeo.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20051107041120.GA4562@igg.indexgeo.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by Aramiska Arc X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N David Crossley wrote: > Ross Gardler wrote: ... >>>I don't know what to do about this. At the least >>>i thought to send this mail because the Forrest PMC >>>should be aware that there is something happening that >>>could be damaging for our project. People are gumbling. >> >>We need to encourage them to grumble on ur users lists not on unrelated >>lists. I was not aware, until comments were made on other lists, of any >>problems within Incubator (interestingly there were positive commets >>from the XML people). > > > That doesn't seem to happen. Many of the grumbles > do happen on other lists. Then an education drive is needed, we can't help users if we can't hear them. It is not reasonable to expect us to listen to their lists. >>>We need to look at ways of making it more user-friendly. >>>It is obviously not easy or the incubator.apache.org >>>issues would not arise. >> >>I am going to join the incubator list next week and try and work out >>what is happening. > > > I started: > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=113108607500002 > "simplifying the generation of Incubator website" > One major issue has already been identified. I will start > a separate thread here on forrest-dev for that. I've taken an unexpected working holiday, probably won't join in till next week now, however, I will be there and I am monitoring tis list. Ross