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From Thorsten Scherler <>
Subject Re: Virtual list for forrest and lenya
Date Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:30:42 GMT
First of all, thank you very much for the informations, Martin and
Leo. :)

To be honest I have no clue (yet ;-)) about ezmlm, qmail and apmail but
I am willing to learn. Please, review what I think we need to do.

On Sat, 2005-09-03 at 17:00 +0200, Martin van den Bemt wrote: 
> Some tweaking with sublists can do the trick, although I actually never 
> used sublists..

I am not sure that is what we want. 
"A sublist is a list that receives its input from another mailing list,
rather than from users directly. The sublist is just a regular
subscriber of the main list."

The last sentence is what we want but the "its input from another
mailing list, rather than from users directly" not exactly.

It should work like in the following scenario.

" sends mail to

1) is subscribed to and and posts (fowards) all mails to both list.
2) Ideally it will add [lefo] to the subject line. 
3) The lefo list will set the reply-to header to itself, so that all
replies go to both lists again."

The input is invoked by a subscriber, rather then by one of the lists.
Maybe I am just not understanding the concept of sublist in ezmlm right
but like I stated before I am a total newbie. 

Another thing is that we also want that certain parts of the lenya and
forrest repository are sending commits mails to
which will be forwarded to and This needs an upgrade of Subversion, but we
can create this list as well now. ;-)

> Mvgr,
> Martin
> Leo Simons wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 03:41:23PM +0200, Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > 
> >>Hello infrastructure team,
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Thorsten!
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > We run ezmlm and qmail. Anything is possible. I have no idea how to do it, but I'm
confident its possible. Roy Fielding 
> > no doubt knows the arcane invocations needed by head; if you file a jira issue he'll
get to it at some point, but I 
> > believe he's been busy lately.
> > 

I will open an issue as soon I can come up with a possible solution.
Since he is busy anyway I may can help him out. ;-) Maybe even this mail
is such a solution. I hope you will tell me. ;-)

> > 
> >>What can I do help to create this list?
> > 
> > 
> > Ehm, figure out the relevant ezmlm configuration options that would result in what
you guys want. Ezmlm has a manual and
> > FAQ somewhere on the web, and we have additional notes on our e-mail configuration
> > 
> >
> > 
> > actually what you need here is not a mailing list but rather a .qmail alias file
with some trickery in it. Eg like we 
> > have at
> > 
> >
> > 

Here is what I did/would have done (I did not have permissions for doing
it myself and I prefer that the infrastructure team gives green
lights). ;-) 

I logged in to minotaur and 'cd /var/qmail/alias/'.
Then I 'cat .qmail-committers'. This file is responsible to mail all
committers at apache if somebody sends a mail to It is doing this with a piped command.

I reckon the following commands would create the correct .qmail-lefo
and .qmail-lefo-commits:
echo "| /var/qmail/bin/forward lenya-dev forrest-dev">.qmail-lefo
echo "| /var/qmail/bin/forward lenya-commits

That would be sufficient for 1), if I understood the above mentioned
README right:
"Yes, this also means that
is going to be the same as"

So I just tried further this beautiful README. I started with 
> sudo -H -u apmail tcsh
thorsten is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.

Ok, I do not have permissions. ;-)

The command that I wanted to invoke afterward is (replace .at. with @):
/home/apmail/bin/ -m lefo

Following "Adding a subject
prefix to messages" I would have then 
"...just place the text in the file DIR/prefix." where the text would be
[lefo]. This would do 2) from the scenario.

The last step 3) I would have done with "put ``reply-to'' into
DIR/headerremove, and ``Reply-To: list@host.dom'' into DIR/headeradd." 

I reckon I forgot some things and would be happy if somebody can review
this steps. I hope I understood the rest more or less right.

> > 
> >>I would be happy to help the infrastructure team, I just need some
> >>instructions.
> > 
> > 
> > Bonus points for attitude.
> > 

:) Cheers. Actually if the above written is right and you need help on
infra I would like to ask for permissions to do it myself and save your
time. You never know when I can help setting up a list again here on
infra. ;-)

> > 
> >>"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
> >>Hey you (Pink Floyd)
> > 
> > 
> > +1!
> > 



"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

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