Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 70205 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 09:59:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Mar 2005 09:59:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 64175 invoked by uid 500); 25 Mar 2005 09:59:47 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 64126 invoked by uid 500); 25 Mar 2005 09:59:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@forrest.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: Reply-To: dev@forrest.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 64109 invoked by uid 99); 25 Mar 2005 09:59:46 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME,SPF_HELO_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.126.176) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:59:44 -0800 Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DElbS-0006s7-00 for dev@forrest.apache.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:59:42 +0100 Received: from [212.59.50.21] (helo=a212595021.net-htp.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1DElbR-00018q-00 for dev@forrest.apache.org; Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:59:41 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:59:39 +0100 From: Ferdinand Soethe X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <759575272.20050325105939@soethe.net> To: David Crossley Subject: Re: [JIRA] Commented: (FOR-446) Dokumentation: HowTo Customize HTML Processing In-Reply-To: <20050324093352.GA19687@igg.indexgeo.com.au> References: <25809993.1109190282075.JavaMail.jettyjira@strider.outerthought.net> <15078107.1111649898582.JavaMail.jettyjira@strider.outerthought.net> <20050324093352.GA19687@igg.indexgeo.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:f75f2bd431147ec08213cc5cdb6cedb7 X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N David Crossley wrote: DC> They are really separate issues: DC> 1) understanding the sitemap DC> 2) customising the particular pipeline that processes html sources. They could be if the text about the site maps was a general explanation (which it isn't - yet?). Though in that case that text should not be a HowTo but a normal document. DC> We don't want to maintain another HowTo (which duplicates the content) DC> the next time that we need to ensure that they understand how a DC> pipeline works. It's not really just about how a pipeline works. I knew that when I started. But I found that you really need to understand the processing concept above the pipeline level and how the different pipelines interact together. And so far, this metastructure is very specific to this particular application of processing html. perhaps it could be generalized. Yet if you do, that document on 'All Forrest Pipelines' might become a lot harder to comprehend because it's a lot further away from the job at hand. DC> The annotated sitemaps that you started could also be linked from DC> other documents, if we standardise the section names and anchors. Might work if the request path for other documents is similar. We'll see. DC> So having separate documents, enables such re-use and we can do DC> less work in the long run. No doubt, that makes sense. DC> We need to record those discoveries. However, DC> each document does not need to explain everything. That was the idea about it. My open question is wether you can modularize knowledge like software and still expect non- or -less-programmers to find there way into and through it. My experience is that people are willing to learn if they have a goal, so feeding them background knowledge on the road to that goal allows them to learn easier and store that knowledge with the practical application. A general explanation of the sitemap in my experience is a lot harder to digest. Perhaps I had my target audience wrong here? Ferdinand Soethe