Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 93959 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 00:53:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 00:53:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 48904 invoked by uid 500); 27 Oct 2004 00:53:06 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 48870 invoked by uid 500); 27 Oct 2004 00:53:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@forrest.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@forrest.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 48859 invoked by uid 99); 27 Oct 2004 00:53:06 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [66.111.4.26] (HELO out2.smtp.messagingengine.com) (66.111.4.26) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:53:06 -0700 X-Sasl-enc: VSkKXaegnzYyje289fdfsQ 1098838383 Received: from [154.5.119.5] (d154-5-119-5.bchsia.telus.net [154.5.119.5]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49B5C34B1D for ; Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <417EF16A.2080600@onnadayr.ca> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:52:58 -0700 From: Rick Tessner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dev@forrest.apache.org Subject: Re: Docbook as forrest-plugin References: <200410242043.28765.sean@inwords.co.za> <200410261658.34699.sean@inwords.co.za> <417E9695.2040105@apache.org> <200410262131.16750.sean@inwords.co.za> <417EDCCB.5060200@onnadayr.ca> <417EE5B3.7010504@apache.org> <417EE7F0.3000803@onnadayr.ca> <417EEBDC.9020209@apache.org> In-Reply-To: <417EEBDC.9020209@apache.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000606040503020205020608" X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000606040503020205020608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ross Gardler wrote: > Rick Tessner wrote: > >> Ross Gardler wrote: >> >>> Have you read the past threads on what to use as an intermediate >>> format? There was much discussion about using Docbook. If the >>> arguments against Docbook in those threads have since been addressed >>> then now is a good time to reconsider this point of view. However, I >>> don't think the situation has changed any. >> >> >> >> Fair enough. I'll go take a look. :) >> > > I thought I'd help out, here is one important thread: > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=101491603200011&r=1&w=2 > > This thread is over 2 years old and argues for DocumentV20. Forrest has > moved on since then and we seem to have hit the limitations of that > format. In the meantime XHTML2 has come along, hence we plan to move to > that. Thanks Ross. I have to agree with the points made in that thread (and other threads as well). It mirrors my own experience with Docbook. It makes much more sense to keep Docbook as a plugin for the folk who need the complexity of what it provides. Since the Docbook stylesheets will eventually (if not already) generate XHTML, our intended intermediate format, the integration of Docbook as a plugin using the Docbook stylesheets should be straighforward. -- rick@onnadayr.ca IT Firefighting and Prevention --------------ms000606040503020205020608 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJFzCC AuYwggJPoAMCAQICAw1K9zANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UE ChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDQxMDI1MDAwMTUzWhcNMDUxMDI1MDAwMTUz WjBbMRAwDgYDVQQEEwdUZXNzbmVyMQ4wDAYDVQQqEwVFcmljaDEWMBQGA1UEAxMNRXJpY2gg VGVzc25lcjEfMB0GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYQcmlja0Bvbm5hZGF5ci5jYTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBALpn43Pm024Ztq1c1H8noisTcdjG9Fn1YlIgmBqZOZ+rnhEJ viVlkcqbP433N/fcrOenLzLZk0eJy1V3JS7gxA3Yo1Z993uemPIWN3+BX1CyrmGCYtltip26 gh2EVTflzqlI3meuqBOu9+hMrPRrytyJMfNcZhp5tYj5eV6FOfCOmgWL8Ximp+V15b9JunIx NtkMNt1MbjNnBwte1qjHf9/50LvTSJtJEpmawsVEm3z9tGmowPYl2kmXEkC5Vz5f13J72+7w 4uD4gb8Q3L/KiloFezDtMweGZWccmqd77fXf2i2vnUeU72rQUs+raGx2CnEh7h5Tu6K64gXX bPTiS70CAwEAAaMtMCswGwYDVR0RBBQwEoEQcmlja0Bvbm5hZGF5ci5jYTAMBgNVHRMBAf8E AjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAA4GBAJZYEUkYMuPB8dTz6FpiZyabMt6xpo1aq0nRHkjmrWZo PmRs3Ix1VCskFxQm9VMIeqCLp+gFPT5dWvJnPHMTu9zTOjNnyPYt2imJ47/HW4o4p0bjlA+g +b9XcQG/Bqcy2RfD7Dmu448eSj+aaxhQ0ugXUmzpgMziT6rSy+JFSmM6MIIC5jCCAk+gAwIB AgIDDUr3MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUg Q29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQTAeFw0wNDEwMjUwMDAxNTNaFw0wNTEwMjUwMDAxNTNaMFsxEDAOBgNV BAQTB1Rlc3NuZXIxDjAMBgNVBCoTBUVyaWNoMRYwFAYDVQQDEw1FcmljaCBUZXNzbmVyMR8w HQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhByaWNrQG9ubmFkYXlyLmNhMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8A MIIBCgKCAQEAumfjc+bTbhm2rVzUfyeiKxNx2Mb0WfViUiCYGpk5n6ueEQm+JWWRyps/jfc3 99ys56cvMtmTR4nLVXclLuDEDdijVn33e56Y8hY3f4FfULKuYYJi2W2KnbqCHYRVN+XOqUje Z66oE6736Eys9GvK3Ikx81xmGnm1iPl5XoU58I6aBYvxeKan5XXlv0m6cjE22Qw23UxuM2cH C17WqMd/3/nQu9NIm0kSmZrCxUSbfP20aajA9iXaSZcSQLlXPl/Xcnvb7vDi4PiBvxDcv8qK WgV7MO0zB4ZlZxyap3vt9d/aLa+dR5TvatBSz6tobHYKcSHuHlO7orriBdds9OJLvQIDAQAB oy0wKzAbBgNVHREEFDASgRByaWNrQG9ubmFkYXlyLmNhMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZI hvcNAQEEBQADgYEAllgRSRgy48Hx1PPoWmJnJpsy3rGmjVqrSdEeSOatZmg+ZGzcjHVUKyQX FCb1Uwh6oIun6AU9Pl1a8mc8cxO73NM6M2fI9i3aKYnjv8dbijinRuOUD6D5v1dxAb8GpzLZ F8PsOa7jjx5KP5prGFDS6BdSbOmAzOJPqtLL4kVKYzowggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYD VQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9D ZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29u YWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0 ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEl MCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3Rl IFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJ AoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJj WiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYkKhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenpruf ZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGjgZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIB ADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRoYXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29u YWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0RBCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMT EVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+v rL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZGwDFGguCdJ4lUJRi x9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZNd4ksdMdRv9d X2VPMYIDOzCCAzcCAQEwaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1 bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElz c3VpbmcgQ0ECAw1K9zAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBpzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcB MBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNDEwMjcwMDUyNThaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBQqqblTzB2x pI3Xd9hZ1KAsBvRyMTBSBgkqhkiG9w0BCQ8xRTBDMAoGCCqGSIb3DQMHMA4GCCqGSIb3DQMC AgIAgDANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBQDAHBgUrDgMCBzANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBKDB4BgkrBgEEAYI3 EAQxazBpMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5 KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQQID DUr3MHoGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMWugaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAw1K9zANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQAUhf9eag60OxS21rggJvXr nqxX1QwLVMz5ha+5SaiUNaE5NYS80OFlZqr0hoGr41726lwIxFu5a70XDaEnyOFUnPuPzoyc 6DzjsCDO4rrkaDbomDOAk3DvH4k+QZT0TNfDrP8FxyxYRmunc8y3SS25/NGXdu0hNEJGny7S GoyEUkrP5v/34e6+hGH+IonGRRX/NvMcoC2EYgxUM20RfXCmLBYdlon/e6FolzRLxxw0ldCB F/pvAVssbk2e4kyWdaAcsH15ZnMmZgjA2z5dc0DVkI5QfPj+QMjj/YVDA+f2D6kugXg1QymR 5eSij+WDAUaG4O2dyYqE5JlMkjSIVwqmAAAAAAAA --------------ms000606040503020205020608--