Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 81346 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 15:19:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 15:19:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 84346 invoked by uid 500); 30 Jun 2004 15:19:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-forrest-dev-archive@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 84236 invoked by uid 500); 30 Jun 2004 15:19:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@forrest.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: dev@forrest.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@forrest.apache.org Received: (qmail 84192 invoked by uid 99); 30 Jun 2004 15:19:43 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [65.104.121.53] (HELO mail.medata.com) (65.104.121.53) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:19:39 -0700 Received: from [172.24.2.66] ([172.24.2.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.medata.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5UFJOKE007812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:19:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <1088598159.18566.46238.camel@ighp> References: <1086761689.31520.41527.camel@ighp> <1086772558.31520.42264.camel@ighp> <1086787587.31519.43797.camel@ighp> <1087619052.1555.68.camel@ighp> <1088303182.18566.10185.camel@ighp> <1088598159.18566.46238.camel@ighp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://homepage.mac.com/webmaestro/.cv/thumbs/me.thumbnail From: Clay Leeds Subject: Re: [DRAFT] Forrest Project Guidelines Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:19:22 -0700 To: dev@forrest.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.73, clamav-milter version 0.73a on mail.medata.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N (from the perspective of being just a 'user'--I think--at this point :-)) On Jun 30, 2004, at 5:22 AM, David Crossley wrote: >> David Crossley wrote: >>> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: >>> ... but now that I have seen it I don't read in it >>> the fact that simple committers cannot vote >>> (as instead I would prefer). >> >> Voting is the next task to add to the document. >> We had already said that we would identify the roles >> and responsibilities first. Though you are right, such >> things are intertwined. > > So if that is the only thing that you see wrong so far > then we are getting somewhere. Can anyone see other issues? I concur with Nicola Ken Barozzi. A non-voting committer doesn't make sense to me. To me it's not unlike having a soldier in the military with a 'license' to kill, but who can't legally drink (in U.S.A. you can join the military at 18, but you can't legally drink until you are 21). >>> Also, wouldn't it be better just to refer to the main >>> Apache document for this, and just clarify some points? >> >> That might be possible (though that main document needs >> some enhancements). However most other projects seem >> to also define the roles in their Guidelines. Another >> issue is that we are defining an extra role that no other >> project uses yet. > > I think that it is better to have a complete standalone > document. What do other people think? > -- > David Crossley I think a standalone document would better suit the needs of the Forrest community in the future. and to paraphrase Cheche: > User > Developer > Committer > Committer with binding vote > PMC member... This seems like too much for me. IMHO, since Developers could also submit PATCHs to be committed by a COMMITTER (as is the case for most--all?--other Apache projects), giving someone COMMITTER access should include the responsibility of the VOTE as well. Web Maestro Clay --- There are only 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.