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From Dave Brondsema <>
Subject Re: Quarterly Report
Date Wed, 12 May 2004 00:59:30 GMT
Quoting David Crossley <>:

> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> > Dave Brondsema wrote:
> > ...
> > > Thanks, that helped a lot.
> > > 
> > > My biggest concern would be the direct responsibility for legal issues.
> > > Obviously we know our code best so our own PMC would be well suited from
> > > that perspective.  But we're not lawyers.  Even licensing questions can
> > > get very confusing.  So I don't know how qualified any of us would be to
> > > be responsible from that perspective.
> > 
> > We are responsible does not mean that we cannot ask for help to the 
> > list. What we have to ensure is that the Apache 
> > rules about licensing are always met, we don't have to invent new ones.
> And we have a duty to raise any concern directly to the Board.
> At the moment we still are bound to do that, but we do it via
> the XML PMC.
> Here is another very useful message from Stefano when Cocoon
> was proposed to be a top-level project:

A key idea mentioned (that I was not aware of) was the desire to have one PMC
for each codebase.  I'm definitely +1 now that I understand this; that this
isn't just a "we're a big project now", but it is better in general to have
top-level projects rather than projects contained in others.

> There is a special part that i want to raise in response to
> Dave's important concern ...
> <quote>
> 2) what does it mean for the developers?
> An official Cocoon project will have an official PMC which is what is 
> legally reponsible for the code and reports directly to the board. The 
> PMC officer becomes a vice-president of the ASF.
> In order to avoid stupid PMC elections, I'll be in favor of having the 
> PMC composed by *all* committers that ask to be part of it. This to 
> imply that committers and legal protector share the same duties and 
> priviledges.


> In short, it means that if any of us screws legally, the foundation will 
> protect us. Today, this is not the case.
> </quote>
> Now someone correct me if i am wrong. My interpretation is that,
> as committers, we are already responsible for stuff that gets
> committed to our repositories. When we committers join the new
> Forrest PMC, then we gain legal protection from the ASF.
> --David

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