Thanks, then there must be an old one on this machine then 'cos: [ajack@lsd jakarta-gump]$ /opt/forrest/bin/forrest -projecthelp [..] *=======================================================* | Forrest Site Builder | *=======================================================* by Marc Portier (mpo@apache.org) Jeff Turner (jefft@apache.org) Hopefully that explains the error at the end of here: http://lsd.student.utwente.nl/gump/gumpy.html [...] validate-xdocs: /data/gump/forrest/content/xdocs/site.xml:7:74: Document root element "site", must match DOCTYPE root "null". /data/gump/forrest/content/xdocs/site.xml:7:74: Document is invalid: no grammar found. I'll upgrade. regards, Adam