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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <>
Subject Re: directory/menu structure
Date Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:41:15 GMT

Jeff Turner wrote, On 08/04/2003 17.21:
> On Tue, Apr 08, 2003 at 04:03:36PM +0200, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>Jeff Turner wrote, On 08/04/2003 15.33:
> Oh I see.  So using top-level nodes as tabs incidentally enforces this
> no-nested-tabs principle. 

Well, not so incidentally. Tabs are IMHV top-level menus, and this 
simply makes it consistent.

> I don't mind, but the problem is then, how
> does one indicate that a top-level node *isn't* also a tab?  

Shouldn't be possible.

> Look at
> Forrest's site.xml; do we really want tabs for 'about',
> 'getting-involved', 'documentation', samples', 'community' and
> 'references'?

We should make the tabs the top-level ones and nest the ones we have now 
where appropriate.

>>Do you think there is a real need of nested tabs? IMHO they confuse 
>>navigation. Tabs should be separate conceptual contexts.
> What if my site structure is:
> user/
>   reference/
> dev/
>   ...
> and I want a tab to the reference/ section?


Tabs are top-most elements of the site. They encapsulate completely the 
included navigation links.

So with the above layout I think that having a references tab is wrong, 
I would just have dev and user tabs. Or change my navigational model.

> Or there's FOP's tabs:
> <tab label="Home" dir=""/>
> <tab label="Development" dir="dev/"/>
> <tab label="Redesign" dir="design/"/>
> <tab label="alt design" dir="design/"/>

Here is the point, 'dir'.

Tabs should collect branches of a site.xml, not physical directories.
Hence I would have the above without problems. I just need to nest the 
site.xml parts that pertain to each in the correct one. I'm talking 
about site.xml, not the dirs on the filesystem.

> I'm not convinced nested tabs are an evil menace we should be protecting
> users from.

The fact is that I still don't see the need, and that nested tabs do not 
follow the clean hierarchical model of site /navigations/. We have a 
site structure for navigation, and that's it.

Nicola Ken Barozzi         
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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