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From Stefano Mazzocchi <>
Subject Re: [RT] Dynamic sitemaps
Date Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:00:54 GMT
Jeff Turner wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 10:34:20AM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>>Jeff Turner wrote:
>>>At the moment, <map:mount>'s src attribute doesn't allow for arbitrary
>>>Sources, but I imagine that could be fixed.
>>When I hear 'dynamic sitemap', all my FS alarms go off.
> :) Think of it this way: the resource-exists action is an evil blight on
> sitemaps everywhere.  Actions are the equivalent of <if> tasks in Ant.
> The solution I'm proposing is similar to Myrmidon's answer to <if>;
> "unroll" the complexity by adopting a two-step process:
> 1) Evaluate all conditionals, and generate a simple static script/sitemap
> 2) Run the generated script/sitemap.
> Isn't that cleaner than having switches and if-then-elses that sprout in
> any non-trivial sitemap?  


> Is there a better solution on the horizon?

Not that I know of. (read below)

>>This said, why don't you use the XConfTool that Cocoon uses in its build 
>>to append pipelines in the sitemap at build time?
>>This is how I'm probably going to do samples build for Cocoon 2.1, it's 
>>hacky, I know, but it's a step forward and cocoon blocks in Cocoon 2.2 
>>will solve the issues completely.
> It sounds to me like blocks are to Cocoon what Centipede Cents are to
> Ant: a packaging and assembly system. They do not relieve the need for
> conditional behaviour in sitemaps.

You are right: sitemaps are part of blocks but they don't expose direct 

>>Please, don't go down the dynamic sitemap path, it's the road to a hell.
> In Ant's case, the road to hell is paved with Jelly ;) 

No shit!

> There are far
> worse solutions than to dynamically build and mount a sitemap with
> Cocoon. 


> If you know of any _better_ solutions, I'm all ears.

No, I don't have better solutions.

> --Jeff
> (hoping James S isn't reading.. Jelly is cool in the same way Perl is
> cool;)

Right. And I don't think Perl is cool at all. Draw your conclusions. :)

Stefano Mazzocchi                               <>
    Pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate [William of Ockham]

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