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From Steven Noels <>
Subject Re: [RT] Getting rid of the table-based layout
Date Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:14:04 GMT
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Steven Noels wrote:
>> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>> It's not me you have to convince, it's an important user we have.
>>> As I have already forwarded on this list, the Forrest skin will not 
>>> be used in Apache Commons till it doesn't look ok in "links".
>>> Ok means without spacer images and such, and fully validating. No 
>>> more, no less.
>> No user is more important than the others. 
> Which also means that every user is important.

Finally somebody who understands my twisted logic :-)

Seriously: let's cater for the majority & educate the minority.

>> Besides, we should optimize in the direction of standards rather than 
>> try to support all user agents. I also hope people will use Forrest 
>> not only because of its skin(s), but because of the underlying ideas. 
>> If they want to create a skin that is fully optimized for their 
>> preferred UA, we provide them with the system to support that.
> Not necessarily fully optimized (as I have already explained), simply 
> not bad looking with images turned on (again, it was the spacer gifs 
> basically).
>> I believe we are all ready to adopt Miles' skin, but are only 
>> reluctant to say so :-)
> I didn't hear anyone against it, which 99,9% of the time means :-)

Make that a :-D

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