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From Nicola Ken Barozzi <>
Subject Re: Skinning
Date Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:09:31 GMT

Jeff Turner wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 09:13:10PM +1100, Peter Donald wrote:
>>On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:53, Jeff Turner wrote:
>>>However, the sitemap -> skin contract (XSLT parameters) is not stable.
>>>In fact I'm going to break it later today (make it simpler). 
>>kool. Do you think this is going to stabilize in the future? It would be kool 
>>if it did ... and documentation accomodated the change ;)
> There's now just one {path} parameter.  I don't foresee any need to break
> it in the future, and if it ever does it should be documented.
>>>Anyone with a custom skin should also use a custom sitemap, and not
>>>rely on the Forrest default.
>>Personally I think this may be a bit of a mistake. You want to make it as 
>>simple for end users to get going. A default sitemap that sets up default 
>>mappings but allows some easy plugin point (sub-sitemap?) would be easy for 
>>us cocoon illiterates ;) (Though I am reading Carstens book and it rocks!!!)
>>>>Oh and if it is all stable - anyone got any suggestions on what skin I
>>>>start from?
>>>avalon-tigris is apparently the most decent.  It's been somewhere on my
>>>todo list to pull it into Forrest, since the only half-decent skin
>>>Forrest has is 'forrest-site'.
>>Well I have got it 90% working. If you want I can send it along. About
>>the only thing that it doesn't support that forrest does is search
>>control and that should be easy enough to add I assume.
> Yes please - or check into jakarta-avalon.
> All: as a policy for maintaining/hosting skins, how about we have these
> two conditions:
>  - It must be used in a live, active project
>  - At least one Forrest committer must 'sponsor' it, volunteering to
>    update it when external files (skinconf, sitemap) change.


> Ie, I'd like to get rid of avalon-site, basic, jakarta-site and
> xml-apache-site, and just have forrest-site and avalon-tigris.

We already had voted to remove those skins so IMHO you can just kill them.

Just keep "basic" around, because I found out that it's used already to 
understand how skinning works.

Nicola Ken Barozzi         
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

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