Steven Noels wrote:
> Miles Elam wrote:
>
>> But then again, this is all sophostry and rhetoric without something
>> to look at or back it up with. So, getting to my point, I got bored
>> today and made a mockup of http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/ in XHTML 1.0
>> Strict.
>>
>> http://cocoon.iguanacharlie.com/
>>
>> I hope this illustrates my point of view. Sure, it could use some
>> tweaking (I just whipped it out), but it validates, looks pretty good
>> for braille readers, looks pretty good for good browsers, and any
>> browser should be able to get the content (including Mosaic holdouts
>> who can't handle tables). Wasn't this the point of XHTML? Wasn't
>> this the point of CSS?
>
>
> Hm. Hmmmm. Why don't you give a shot at
> http://xml.apache.org/forrest/, the slightly more complicated skin we
> will be using on Forrestized Apache sites - such as xml.apache.org?
How much margin do I have? Those tabs have rounded edges. Does the
page have to be pixel for pixel? Are squared edges okay as an
alternate? Can the tabs be made a uniform width?
Other than those questions, doesn't seem too tough. The rounded edges
mean that I have to use images of course. Nevermind. Not a big deal.
It's not like the page doesn't have logos et al.
I have a radio show to do tonight, but I'll try to get to it soon.
> Nice work, I must admit. Lean and mean code - but we should check on
> older browsers - I'll be trying this with my rusty NS 4.07 on Linux.
I would think that it would look more bland, but definitely readable in
NS 4.07. Since NS4 doesn't support the @import CSS directive, it
doesn't even know there's CSS basically. What you end up with is a page
with header tags and paragraphs (akin to 1995 pages) that look pretty
good in Lynx (and by association, readers for the visually-impaired).
But then again, that's the question I wanted to make: how much do
people really care about the aesthetics vs. just the content when using
two generation old browsers? Content is 100% available for all, layout
is minimal for old, and layout is like a magazine for new.
> We could use some helping hands over at Forrest to finish our skins.
I have to admit, I have my hands full with my radio show website for the
short term. I was scrapping all the cruft in exchange for a 100%
standards compliant and accessibility compliant website.
It's...um...taking a while as I un-learn all of my old HTML skills.
Then again, I procrastinate a lot. We'll see. I can't promise, but
working on Apache pages is definitely up there in my book of reasons to
procrastinate on my own site. ;-)
- Miles
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