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From Steven Noels <>
Subject Re: [RT] Getting rid of the table-based layout
Date Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:28:28 GMT
Miles Elam wrote:

> But then again, this is all sophostry and rhetoric without something to 
> look at or back it up with.  So, getting to my point, I got bored today 
> and made a mockup of in XHTML 1.0 Strict.
> I hope this illustrates my point of view.  Sure, it could use some 
> tweaking (I just whipped it out), but it validates, looks pretty good 
> for braille readers, looks pretty good for good browsers, and any 
> browser should be able to get the content (including Mosaic holdouts who 
> can't handle tables).  Wasn't this the point of XHTML?  Wasn't this the 
> point of CSS?

Hm. Hmmmm. Why don't you give a shot at, 
the slightly more complicated skin we will be using on Forrestized 
Apache sites - such as

> I'm sorry if I'm starting another fight, but seeing non-standard pages 
> on ASF sites has been paining me for some time.  But rather than just 
> complain, I'm trying an alternative and seeing how many people sigh. 
> Given this, is it still worth avoiding CSS?  (A hell of a lot easier to 
> write XSLT for XHTML to be sure.)
> I was also going to convert the GIFs to PNGs, but I'm quite sure that 
> would've had me lynched before long because they most certainly don't 
> show up in old browsers.  Now pardon me while I duck the incoming bullets.

Nice work, I must admit. Lean and mean code - but we should check on 
older browsers - I'll be trying this with my rusty NS 4.07 on Linux.

We could use some helping hands over at Forrest to finish our skins.

Steven Noels                  
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center            

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