Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-xml-forrest-dev-archive@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 50968 invoked by uid 500); 8 Aug 2002 15:34:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact forrest-dev-help@xml.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list forrest-dev@xml.apache.org Received: (qmail 50901 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2002 15:34:26 -0000 Received: from mail-2.tiscali.it (HELO mail.tiscali.it) (195.130.225.148) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 8 Aug 2002 15:34:26 -0000 Received: from apache.org (62.10.53.24) by mail.tiscali.it (6.5.026) id 3D5215220001DB52; Thu, 8 Aug 2002 17:34:28 +0200 Message-ID: <3D528F5E.6080407@apache.org> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:33:50 +0200 From: Nicola Ken Barozzi Reply-To: nicolaken@apache.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: forrest-dev@xml.apache.org CC: avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: Switching out Cocoon] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: What do Forresters think of this? IMHO we will do something similar to what Forrest is doing now, ie have two versions of the site. We have xml.apache.org/forrest that is generated and uploaded by hand, versus an hourly built www.krysalis.org/forrest. When we want, we can push the site in production; else it will happen like in all projects where the coders don't even want to know how to generate the site. Look at the state of jakarta-site2. Look at the state of xml-site!!! :-O -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Switching out Cocoon Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 00:25:02 +0900 From: Leif Mortenson Reply-To: "Avalon Developers List" To: Avalon Developers List References: <002801c23ee5$17e71bd0$ac00a8c0@Gabriel> <3D527C59.8020906@apache.org> <3D52878B.3080502@tanukisoftware.com> <3D528917.5010805@apache.org> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > Cocoon is more powerful, has docs crawling and Forrest, which uses > Cocoon, will soon make sites updates automatic from a bot, as is > happening already for a couple of projects out of Apache. Automatic updates are something that sounds sexy. But I would be a strong -1 on implemenenting that. The online site documentation is a product of Avalon. It is where people come to learn how to use the code that we all work so hard to create. The online site needs to always be working and needs to always look good. This is a lot more important than keeping it up to date with the latest code on a nightly basis. If the build is working. Then people who are on CVS can build docs from CVS as well. We do not come anywhere close to asking the average user to use nightly builds. Why would we want them to view the nightly build of our documentation? When you try out a piece of code and it crashes. You don't come back. Well our users view the site long before they even look at our code. It is more important that it works than for it to be super sexy. Which reminds me I need to document the instrument packages :-/ Leif -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: -- Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) ---------------------------------------------------------------------