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From Piroumian Konstantin <KPiroum...@protek.com>
Subject RE: Downloading build components
Date Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:48:08 GMT
Thanks for explanation. I hadn't seen it before.
Yes, from that point of view having cent out of CVS makes sense. 

And it will also help me to save my money, cause I use GPRS for Internet
from home and pay for traffic ;)

Konstantin

> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org] 
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> > Piroumian Konstantin wrote:
> >>> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi [mailto:nicolaken@apache.org] Piroumian 
> >>> Konstantin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all!
> >>>>
> >>>> Is it really needed to download anythin–Ņ during the build? 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can this be
> >>>
> >>>> avoided or made optional? 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The only way is putting libs in CVS od manually downloading.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok. But what about next versions? What's wrong with having 
> the jars in 
> >> CVS?
> >> It's extremely inconvenient for those who have no luck to 
> have direct
> >> internet access.
> > 
> > 
> > I'm tired of explaining why.
> 
> But I cannot resist, because it's important.
> 
> Below is what I wrote to the POI developers that said the same things 
> you say.
> The whole discussion's here: 
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=102185057700028&r=1&w=2:
> 
> Ken wrote:
> "...
> 
> Anyway, the reason why jars are not to be put in CVS is 
> merely technical 
> and economical.
> 
> Bandwidth costs. LOTS of money. Servers too. And disk space 
> too, has to 
> be managed.
> 
> Now, if every project stores in its CVS the versions they use, we have
> massive duplication of jars, and much bigger disk space used.
> 
> Also, CVS is not particularly bright as for binary files, and 
> on some of 
> my machines it screwed up, and if not, it gets much more strain.
> 
> Then Bandwidth. You have no possibility of transparent 
> mirroring, and if 
> you download 100 projects, you download 100 jars of the SAME Ant.
> Apache is free, and bandwith costs.
> 
> That's why there is CPAN for Perl code, and CJAN is starting for Java.
> It's easy for me to put in CVS, and personally I like it.
> But are you still sure now that you want it?
> 
> It will take me no time in putting it there again, but I *strongly* 
> suggest you to reconsider.
> 
> CVS is for developers and developers have no problems usually in 
> installing the build system of a program they like. Heck, 
> think about Linux!
> "
> 
> > What I can tell you is that if it's in CVS under 
> tools/cents/ the build 
> > will work just fine without modifications.
> > 
> > Ask the other committers what they think, I'm -0 for it.
> 
> -- 
> Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
>              - verba volant, scripta manent -
>     (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> 

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