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From David Crossley <>
Subject Re: escaping the ego trap
Date Sat, 08 Jun 2002 12:33:56 GMT
Liberate Libre !

I think that Forrest is the place for it. You say that Libre
has scope broader than Forrest. Yet the scope of Forrest is
actually broader than itself, so this place does suit.

The Forrest community is growing stronger each day, so i
reckon that you will soon gain the necessary attention.
It is also a very relevant enhancement to this project.

With respect to the CVS/commit issue ...
I am happy to accept the code right now. However we can vote
if that is needed. Anyway once the facility is in CVS, then
Marc can respond to feedback on forrest-dev, send some patches,
then we can soon do the voting procedure, i.e the usual.
So i do not see any issue at all.

If it turns out that Libre should later move to someplace more
appropriate, then that is OK too.


Steven Noels wrote:
> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> > NOTE: I do this to avoid Steven and his colleagues to waste time. It
> > would be simple for me to vote -1 to libre and keep going with what we
> > have, but that would be very rude and unrespectful of their
> > contributed effort.
> Indeed :-)
> OK - how do we proceed from here. Some points & issues.
> * We have a pre-refactored version of libre in our own CVS, which does
> basically what I have described in
> Given
> Stefano's remarks and our own belief in release early & often, we could
> contribute this as-is to Forrest.
> * We believe Libre has a scope which can be broader than Forrest,
> however, given the fact the refactoring currently going on is mostly
> about Avalonizing the thing, the idea of traversing other repositories,
> and also having other output implementations than the Cocoon Generator
> (there is a CLI output already, others may follow). So we don't know
> whether this should be part of Forrest, Cocoon, Avalon, Krysalis or
> We could contribute the Jar of course, but that
> means only we have CVS-access to the (open) source, which is not in the
> spirit of our donation.
> * Practical issue: I'm not the author of the thing, only the cardboard
> engineer. Marc Portier <> is, and it would be
> very impractical for him/us when the canonical version resides in a CVS
> repository where he has no commit rights to. At the same time, we
> sincerely believe this should not be an easy way of gaining commit
> rights for him on Forrest. So it is much more likely that we start with
> adding it to SF, and re-using the Jar within Forrest. This of course
> will mean that it won't be readily available for Forresteers, they will
> have to look it up on SF instead.
> * We could send an archive with source, examples, etc to interested
> parties or the list, if that would help in the mean time. I won't expect
> the refactoring be finished soon, and we now understand that this would
> be better with some more eyeballs looking into our work. I am not sure
> whether we'll find these eyeballs here, maybe cocoon-dev is a better
> place.
> We feel we might be missing an opportunity window here, so please help
> us out in resolving this issue.
> Thanks for your patience,
> </Steven>
>, next mail will be in the spirit of my
> alter ego again ;-)

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