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From "Sam Ruby" <>
Subject Re: [provocative] crushing userland
Date Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:35:52 GMT
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> Dave said that Apache is the only real alternative to .NET... if only
> had a serious CMS.... ihihih, oh, he's so right on this :)
> So, let's make a deal: I'll help writing a weblog framework (Ugo, I need
> your help!) on top of Cocoon and you guys move your weblogs over to
> Forrest?
> Gosh, it hurts my spirit so bad to see Sam using Radio for his weblog.

Perhaps that was my intent.  And if so, apparently it worked!  ;-)

I've been consistently dropping hints.  Note numerous references to Cocoon
and Xindice in my weblog <>, and even I
even floated the idea here:

FWIW, my motivation is not to crush UserLand.  The Radio product is
actually reasonably decent as far as it goes.  Unfortunately, my experience
so far is that UserLand tends to be a real feet dragger and the itch to
route around obstacles and leave them behind is growing... so the end
result may be the same.  Of course, I tend to be an optimist, so if Dave
and Co. were to surprise me...

Notes: IMHO, the core of a CMS is in the database, so we really need to get
Kimbro and friends on board.  And in the spirit of Forrest, the focus
should be for on a groupware solution that is more of a community service
than a single user publishing system.

- Sam Ruby

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