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From Ovidiu-Cristian MARCU <ovidiu-cristian.ma...@inria.fr>
Subject Re: Optimizations not performed - please confirm
Date Wed, 29 Jun 2016 17:24:54 GMT
Thank you, Aljoscha!
I received a similar update from Fabian, only now I see the user list was not in CC.

Fabian::The optimizer hasn’t been touched (except for bugfixes and new operators) for quite
some time.
These limitations are still present and I don’t expect them to be removed anytime soon.
IMO, it is more likely that certain optimizations like join reordering will be done for Table
API / SQL queries by the Calcite optimizer and pushed through the Flink Dataset optimizer.

I agree, for join reordering optimisations it makes sense to rely on Calcite.
My goal is to understand how current documentation correlates to the Flink’s framework status.

I've did an experimental study where I compared Flink and Spark for many workloads at very
large scale (I’ll share the results soon) and I would like to develop a few ideas on top
of Flink (from the results Flink is the winner in most of the use cases and it is our choice
for the platform on which to develop and grow).

My interest is in understanding more about Flink today. I am familiar with most of the papers
written, I am watching the documentation also.
I am looking at the DataSet API, runtime and current architecture.

Best,
Ovidiu

> On 29 Jun 2016, at 17:27, Aljoscha Krettek <aljoscha@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I think this document is still up-to-date since not much was done in these parts of the
code for the 1.0 release and after that.
> 
> Maybe Timo can give some insights into what optimizations are done in the Table API/SQL
that will be be released in an updated version in 1.1.
> 
> Cheers,
> Aljoscha
> 
> +Timo, Explicitly adding Timo
> 
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 at 21:41 Ovidiu-Cristian MARCU <ovidiu-cristian.marcu@inria.fr
<mailto:ovidiu-cristian.marcu@inria.fr>> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The optimizer internals described in this document [1] are probably not up-to-date.
> Can you please confirm if this is still valid:
> 
> “The following optimizations are not performed
> Join reordering (or operator reordering in general): Joins / Filters / Reducers are not
re-ordered in Flink. This is a high opportunity optimization, but with high risk in the absence
of good estimates about the data characteristics. Flink is not doing these optimizations at
this point.
> Index vs. Table Scan selection: In Flink, all data sources are always scanned. The data
source (the input format) may apply clever mechanism to not scan all the data, but pre-select
and project. Examples are the RCFile / ORCFile / Parquet input formats."
> Any update of this page will be very helpful.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Best,
> Ovidiu
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Optimizer+Internals <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/Optimizer+Internals>

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