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From Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
Subject Re: RocksDB Statebackend
Date Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:39:32 GMT
Concerning the size of RocksDB snapshots - I am wondering if RocksDB simply
does not compact for a long time, thus having a lot of stale data in the

That would be especially the case, if you have a lot of changing values for
the same set of keys.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljoscha@apache.org>

> Hi,
> I'm going to try and respond to each point:
> 1. This seems strange, could you give some background on parallelism,
> number of operators with state and so on? Also, I'm assuming you are using
> the partitioned state abstraction, i.e. getState(), correct?
> 2. your observations are pretty much correct. The reason why RocksDB is
> slower is that the FsStateBackend basically stores the state in a Java
> HashMap and writes the contents to HDFS when checkpointing. RocksDB stores
> data in on-disk files and goes to them for every state access (of course
> there are caches, but generally it is like this). I'm actually impressed
> that it is still this fast in comparison.
> 3. see 1. (I think for now)
> 4. The checkpointing time is the time from the JobManager deciding to
> start a checkpoint until all tasks have confirmed that checkpoint. I have
> seen this before and I think it results from back pressure. The problem is
> that the checkpoint messages that we sent through the topology are sitting
> at the sources because they are also back pressured by the slow processing
> of normal records. You should be able to see the actual checkpointing times
> (both synchronous and asynchronous) in the log files of the task managers,
> they should be very much lower.
> I can go into details, I'm just writing this quickly before calling it a
> day. :-)
> Cheers,
> Aljoscha
> On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 at 18:21 Konstantin Knauf <
> konstantin.knauf@tngtech.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> my experience with RocksDBStatebackend have left me a little bit
>> confused. Maybe you guys can confirm that my epxierence is the expected
>> behaviour ;):
>> I have run a "performancetest" twice, once with FsStateBackend and once
>> RocksDBStatebackend in comparison. In this particular test the state
>> saved is generally not large (in a production scenario it will be larger.)
>> These are my observations:
>> 1. Minimal Checkpoint Size (no records) with RocksDB was 33MB compared
>> to <<1MB with the FSStatebackend.
>> 2. Throughput dropped from 28k/s -> 18k/s on a small cluster.
>> 3. Checkpoint sizes as reported in the Dashboard was ca. 1MB for
>> FsStatebackend but >100MB for RocksDbStatebackend. I hope the difference
>> gets smaller for very large state. Can you confirm?
>> 4. Checkpointing Times as reported in the Dashboard were 26secs for
>> RocksDB during the test and <1 second for FsStatebackend. Does the
>> reported time correspond to the sync. + asynchronous part of the
>> checkpointing in case of RocksDB? Is there any way to tell how long the
>> synchronous part takes?
>> Form these first observations RocksDB does seem to bring a large
>> overhead for state < 1GB, I guess? Is this expected?
>> Cheers,
>> Konstantin

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