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From Till Rohrmann <trohrm...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] FLIP-3 - Organization of Documentation
Date Fri, 19 Aug 2016 10:07:44 GMT
I second Aljoscha :-)

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljoscha@apache.org>
wrote:

> I checked it out and I liked it. :-)
>
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 at 19:40 Ufuk Celebi <uce@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Initial PR for the layout: https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/2387
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Aljoscha Krettek <aljoscha@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > +1
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2016 at 03:15 Till Rohrmann <trohrmann@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1 :-)
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > +1, thanks :-)
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Ufuk Celebi <uce@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > If there are no objections, I would like to work on this in the
> next
> > >> > > days. I would like to only do the restructuring and don't add
any
> > new
> > >> > > content (e.g. we would have a few empty pages in the beginning).
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > > I added to the "Application Development" Docs the Section
> "Types,
> > >> > > > TypeInformation, Serialization".
> > >> > > > I think that is an important enough aspect to warrant separate
> > docs.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Till Rohrmann <
> > trohrmann@apache.org
> > >> >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> +1 for the FLIP and making streaming the common case.
Very good
> > >> > proposal
> > >> > > >> :-)
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Aljoscha Krettek <
> > >> > aljoscha@apache.org
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> wrote:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> > +1 I like it a lot!
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 at 18:43 Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> > > My take would be to take streaming as the
common case and
> > make
> > >> > > special
> > >> > > >> > > sections for batch.
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > > We can still have a few streaming-only sections
(end to end
> > >> > exactly
> > >> > > >> once)
> > >> > > >> > > and a few batch-only sections (optimizer).
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Ufuk Celebi
<
> uce@apache.org
> > >
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > > > I very much like this proposal. This
is long overdue. Our
> > >> > > >> > > > documentation never "broke up" with the
old batch focus.
> > >> That's
> > >> > > where
> > >> > > >> > > > the current structure comes from and
why people often
> don't
> > >> find
> > >> > > what
> > >> > > >> > > > they are looking for. We were trying
to treat streaming
> and
> > >> > batch
> > >> > > as
> > >> > > >> > > > equals. We never were "brave" enough
to move
> streaming-only
> > >> > > concepts
> > >> > > >> > > > to the top-level. I really like that
you are proposing
> this
> > >> now
> > >> > > (for
> > >> > > >> > > > example for Event time, State Backends
etc.). I would
> love
> > to
> > >> > have
> > >> > > >> > > > this go hand in hand with the 1.2 release.
> > >> > > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> > > > What is your opinion about pages affecting
both streaming
> > and
> > >> > > batch
> > >> > > >> > > > like "Connectors" or "Failure model"?
We could have the
> > >> landing
> > >> > > page
> > >> > > >> > > > cover the general material (e.g. restart
strategies) and
> > then
> > >> > have
> > >> > > >> > > > sub-pages for streaming- and batch-specific
stuff. Or we
> > treat
> > >> > > >> > > > streaming as the common case and have
a sub-section for
> > batch.
> > >> > We
> > >> > > >> > > > probably have to decide this case-by-case,
but to me it
> > feels
> > >> > like
> > >> > > >> > > > this was the main problem with the old
documentation
> > structure
> > >> > > >> > > > (content is a different story of course
;)).
> > >> > > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> > > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Stephan
Ewen <
> > >> sewen@apache.org
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > >> > > > > Hi all!
> > >> > > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >> > > > > I posted another FLIP - this time
about a suggestion to
> > make
> > >> > the
> > >> > > >> > > > > documentation more accessible.
> > >> > > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >> > > > > FLIP-3 - Organization of Documentation
> > >> > > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/FLIP-
> 3+-+Organization+of+Documentation
> > >> > > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >> > > > > The issue of accessibility of information
came up
> > repeatedly
> > >> > > from
> > >> > > >> > > users I
> > >> > > >> > > > > talked to, so this is a suggestion
how to improve this.
> > >> > > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >> > > > > Greetings,
> > >> > > >> > > > > Stephan
> > >> > > >> > > >
> > >> > > >> > >
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
>

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