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From Aljoscha Krettek <aljos...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Redesigned "Features" page
Date Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:32:47 GMT
I would publish it, it is definitely better than the old one.

On Wed, 8 Jul 2015 at 11:32 Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org> wrote:

> So, what do we do with this now?
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > +1 to adding links
> >
> > In fact, all points should link to some documentation part.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Gyula Fóra <gyula.fora@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I think the content is pretty good, much better than before. But the
> page
> >> structure could be better (and this is very important in my opinion).
> >> Now it just looks like a long list of features without any ways to
> >> navigate
> >> between them. We should probably have something at the top that
> summarizes
> >> the page.
> >>
> >> And maybe at the specific points we should add links to other pages (for
> >> instance internals pages).
> >>
> >> Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org> ezt írta (időpont: 2015. júl. 7., K,
> >> 13:22):
> >>
> >> > I actually put quite some thought into the structure of the points.
> They
> >> > reflect pretty much what I observed (meetups and talks) where people
> get
> >> > excited and what they are missing.
> >> >
> >> > The structure follows the line of through of "stream processor that
> also
> >> > does batch very well". And then separate the features as they
> >> contribute to
> >> > that.
> >> >
> >> > Intermixing features across their relation to streaming and batch has
> >> not
> >> > worked out for my presentations at all. It came across that Flink is a
> >> > system with a multitude of aspects, but no one in the audience could
> >> really
> >> > say what Flink is good at in the end, where it stands out.
> >> >
> >> > The proposed structure makes this very clear:
> >> >
> >> >   - Flink is a kick-ass stream processor     (Strongest
> differentiation
> >> > from all other technology)
> >> >   - Flink can also do batch very well          (It is broadly
> applicable
> >> > and strong)
> >> >   - It surfaces nice APIs and rich libraries  (Low entry hurdle)
> >> >   - It plays well with existing technology
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Stephan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Fabian Hueske <fhueske@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > +1 for the clear and brief feature descriptions!
> >> > >
> >> > > I am not so sure about the structure of the points, especially
> >> separating
> >> > > "Streaming" and "Batch and Streaming in One System" does not support
> >> the
> >> > > message of a unified system, IMO.
> >> > >
> >> > > How about categorizing the points into three sections (Internals,
> API,
> >> > > Integration) and structuring the points for example as follows:
> >> > >
> >> > > -- High Performance, Robust Execution, and Fault-tolerance
> >> > > High performance
> >> > > Continuous Streaming Model with Flow Control
> >> > > Fault-tolerance via Lightweight Distributed Snapshots
> >> > > Memory Management
> >> > > Iterations and Delta Iterations
> >> > >
> >> > > -- Ease of use, APIs, and Clear Semantics
> >> > > One runtime for Streaming and Batch Processing
> >> > > Expressive APIs (Batch + Streaming)
> >> > > Exactly-once Semantics for Stateful Computations
> >> > > Program Optimizer
> >> > > Library Ecosystem
> >> > >
> >> > > -- Integration
> >> > > Broad Integration
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers, Fabian
> >> > >
> >> > > 2015-07-07 10:39 GMT+02:00 Till Rohrmann <trohrmann@apache.org>:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I also like the new feature page. I better conveys the strong
> >> points of
> >> > > > Flink, since it's more to the point.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks Max!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Did not even know we had a github mirror of the flink-web
> repo...
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Maximilian Michels <
> >> mxm@apache.org>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hi Stephan,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Thanks for the feature page update. I think it is much
more
> >> > > informative
> >> > > > > and
> >> > > > > > better structured now.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > By the way, you could also open a pull request for
your
> changes
> >> on
> >> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pulls
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Cheers,
> >> > > > > > Max
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Fabian Hueske <
> >> fhueske@gmail.com>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I'll be happy to help, eh draw ;-)
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > 2015-07-06 15:22 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org>:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Hi all!
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I think that the "Features" page of the website
is a bit
> >> out of
> >> > > > date.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I made an effort to stub a new one. It is
committed under
> "
> >> > > > > > > features_new.md
> >> > > > > > > > "
> >> > > > > > > > and not yet built as an HTML page.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > If you want to take a look and help building
this, pull
> the
> >> > > > flink-web
> >> > > > > > git
> >> > > > > > > > repository and build the website locally.
You can then
> look
> >> at
> >> > it
> >> > > > > > under "
> >> > > > > > > > http://localhost:4000/index_new.html"
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > So far, I am happy with the new contents.
Three things
> >> remain
> >> > to
> >> > > be
> >> > > > > > done:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > 1) The page misses a figure on Streaming
throughput and
> >> > latency.
> >> > > > > > > Currently,
> >> > > > > > > > I am using a figure from some preliminary
measurements
> made
> >> by
> >> > > > > Marton.
> >> > > > > > > > IIRC, Robert is running some performance
tests right now
> >> and we
> >> > > can
> >> > > > > use
> >> > > > > > > his
> >> > > > > > > > results to create a new figure.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > 2) The figures could use some love. The concept
is good,
> but
> >> > the
> >> > > > > style
> >> > > > > > > is a
> >> > > > > > > > bit sterile. I was hoping that Fabian would
help out with
> >> his
> >> > > > amazing
> >> > > > > > > style
> >> > > > > > > > of drawing figures ;-)
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > 3) More people should have a look and say
if we should
> >> replace
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > > > current
> >> > > > > > > > "Features" page with this new one
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Greetings,
> >> > > > > > > > Stephan
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>

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