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From Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Flink on Wikipedia
Date Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:43:22 GMT
Okay, I wrote a lot there

tl:dr = Let's make sure people understand that the Stratosphere paper does
not describe Flink.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Matthias J. Sax <
mjsax@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote:

> I can't follow. Stratosphere is only mentioned in the "History" part. Of
> course, we can strike out "Stratosphere II" and make clear that Flink is
> a fork on Stratosphere. But that is minor.
>
> And adding the Stratosphere papers as a reference, was the requirement
> to get the article accepted in the first place. Thus, it would not make
> sense to remove them. Currently, there are no other "reliable and
> notable" source (in term of Wikipedia guidelines) that can be used as
> references.
>
> Of course, the article is super short and needs to be extended. But the
> project is moving fast and only "stable" stuff should be on Wikipedia.
> It is hard enough to keep the project web page up to data. ;) Maybe, we
> can discuss what should be included and what not.
>
>
> -Matthias
>
>
>
> On 07/07/2015 04:17 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote:
> > Thanks, Matthias, for starting this.
> >
> > It looks a bit like the article talks more about the Stratosphere project
> > than Flink right now.
> > I think we need to make a few things clear, to not confuse people:
> >
> > 1) Flink != Stratosphere. When looking at the Stratosphere Paper and when
> > looking at Flink, you look at two completely different things. It is not
> > just that a name changed.
> >
> > 2) It is not Stratosphere that became an Apache project. The project that
> > became Apache Flink was forked from a subset of the Stratosphere project
> > (core runtime only). That subset covered 1.5 out of the 5 areas of
> > Stratosphere.
> >
> > When Flink became an Apache project, the only features it contained that
> > were developed as part of Stratosphere, were the iterations, and the
> > optimizer. Everything else had been re-developed.
> >
> > 3) Flink has nothing to do with Stratosphere II. Even though that
> research
> > project talks about streaming, they have a very different angle to that.
> >
> >
> > I am writing this, because we are working heavy on making it easier for
> > people to grasp what Flink is, and what it is not.
> > A system with so many features and so much different technology is bound
> to
> > be hard to grasp.
> >
> > The article gives people sources that seemingly describe what Flink is,
> but
> > have little to do with what it is.
> >
> >
> > The relationship between Flink and Stratosphere is actually the
> following:
> > Flink is based on some research outcomes of Stratosphere (I), and was
> > bootstrapped from a fork of the Stratosphere code base of late 2013. Ever
> > since, these two have been proceeding independently.
> >
> > I would suggest to change the article to clearly reflect that. Otherwise,
> > we will not do Flink a favor, but confuse people.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Nice work indeed!
> >>
> >> - Henry
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Chiwan Park <chiwanpark@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>> Great! Nice start. :)
> >>> The logo is shown now.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Chiwan Park
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Maximilian Michels <mxm@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Cool. Nice work, Matthias, and thanks for starting it off.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Matthias J. Sax <
> >>>> mjsax@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi squirrels,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia:
> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online soon.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Matthias
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>

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