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From Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Flink on Wikipedia
Date Tue, 07 Jul 2015 15:08:23 GMT
It was just a suggestion.

@Matthias: You wrote the article, you decide. If you want to keep it,
that's fine!

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Matthias J. Sax <
mjsax@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote:

> I agree with Kostas and don't see much danger that people get confused.
> Nevertheless, I will update the history section accordingly.
>
>
> On 07/07/2015 04:48 PM, Kostas Tzoumas wrote:
> > I think it is clear to most people that the only official and (hopefully)
> > up-to-date description of an Apache project is its Apache website, and
> any
> > paper can get outdated. Perhaps we can change the link to a more
> up-to-date
> > paper when we have one.
> >
> > I like the article, thanks Matthias!
> >
> > Kostas
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Okay, I wrote a lot there
> >>
> >> tl:dr = Let's make sure people understand that the Stratosphere paper
> does
> >> not describe Flink.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Matthias J. Sax <
> >> mjsax@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I can't follow. Stratosphere is only mentioned in the "History" part.
> Of
> >>> course, we can strike out "Stratosphere II" and make clear that Flink
> is
> >>> a fork on Stratosphere. But that is minor.
> >>>
> >>> And adding the Stratosphere papers as a reference, was the requirement
> >>> to get the article accepted in the first place. Thus, it would not make
> >>> sense to remove them. Currently, there are no other "reliable and
> >>> notable" source (in term of Wikipedia guidelines) that can be used as
> >>> references.
> >>>
> >>> Of course, the article is super short and needs to be extended. But the
> >>> project is moving fast and only "stable" stuff should be on Wikipedia.
> >>> It is hard enough to keep the project web page up to data. ;) Maybe, we
> >>> can discuss what should be included and what not.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Matthias
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 07/07/2015 04:17 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote:
> >>>> Thanks, Matthias, for starting this.
> >>>>
> >>>> It looks a bit like the article talks more about the Stratosphere
> >> project
> >>>> than Flink right now.
> >>>> I think we need to make a few things clear, to not confuse people:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) Flink != Stratosphere. When looking at the Stratosphere Paper and
> >> when
> >>>> looking at Flink, you look at two completely different things. It is
> >> not
> >>>> just that a name changed.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) It is not Stratosphere that became an Apache project. The project
> >> that
> >>>> became Apache Flink was forked from a subset of the Stratosphere
> >> project
> >>>> (core runtime only). That subset covered 1.5 out of the 5 areas of
> >>>> Stratosphere.
> >>>>
> >>>> When Flink became an Apache project, the only features it contained
> >> that
> >>>> were developed as part of Stratosphere, were the iterations, and the
> >>>> optimizer. Everything else had been re-developed.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) Flink has nothing to do with Stratosphere II. Even though that
> >>> research
> >>>> project talks about streaming, they have a very different angle to
> >> that.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am writing this, because we are working heavy on making it easier
> for
> >>>> people to grasp what Flink is, and what it is not.
> >>>> A system with so many features and so much different technology is
> >> bound
> >>> to
> >>>> be hard to grasp.
> >>>>
> >>>> The article gives people sources that seemingly describe what Flink
> is,
> >>> but
> >>>> have little to do with what it is.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The relationship between Flink and Stratosphere is actually the
> >>> following:
> >>>> Flink is based on some research outcomes of Stratosphere (I), and was
> >>>> bootstrapped from a fork of the Stratosphere code base of late 2013.
> >> Ever
> >>>> since, these two have been proceeding independently.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would suggest to change the article to clearly reflect that.
> >> Otherwise,
> >>>> we will not do Flink a favor, but confuse people.
> >>>>
> >>>> Greetings,
> >>>> Stephan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Henry Saputra <
> >> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Nice work indeed!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Henry
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Chiwan Park <chiwanpark@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Great! Nice start. :)
> >>>>>> The logo is shown now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Chiwan Park
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Maximilian Michels <mxm@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cool. Nice work, Matthias, and thanks for starting it off.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Matthias J. Sax <
> >>>>>>> mjsax@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi squirrels,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia:
> >>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online
soon.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Matthias
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>

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