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From Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Redesigned "Features" page
Date Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:32:09 GMT
So, what do we do with this now?

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org> wrote:

> +1 to adding links
>
> In fact, all points should link to some documentation part.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Gyula Fóra <gyula.fora@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think the content is pretty good, much better than before. But the page
>> structure could be better (and this is very important in my opinion).
>> Now it just looks like a long list of features without any ways to
>> navigate
>> between them. We should probably have something at the top that summarizes
>> the page.
>>
>> And maybe at the specific points we should add links to other pages (for
>> instance internals pages).
>>
>> Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org> ezt írta (időpont: 2015. júl. 7., K,
>> 13:22):
>>
>> > I actually put quite some thought into the structure of the points. They
>> > reflect pretty much what I observed (meetups and talks) where people get
>> > excited and what they are missing.
>> >
>> > The structure follows the line of through of "stream processor that also
>> > does batch very well". And then separate the features as they
>> contribute to
>> > that.
>> >
>> > Intermixing features across their relation to streaming and batch has
>> not
>> > worked out for my presentations at all. It came across that Flink is a
>> > system with a multitude of aspects, but no one in the audience could
>> really
>> > say what Flink is good at in the end, where it stands out.
>> >
>> > The proposed structure makes this very clear:
>> >
>> >   - Flink is a kick-ass stream processor     (Strongest differentiation
>> > from all other technology)
>> >   - Flink can also do batch very well          (It is broadly applicable
>> > and strong)
>> >   - It surfaces nice APIs and rich libraries  (Low entry hurdle)
>> >   - It plays well with existing technology
>> >
>> >
>> > Stephan
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Fabian Hueske <fhueske@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > +1 for the clear and brief feature descriptions!
>> > >
>> > > I am not so sure about the structure of the points, especially
>> separating
>> > > "Streaming" and "Batch and Streaming in One System" does not support
>> the
>> > > message of a unified system, IMO.
>> > >
>> > > How about categorizing the points into three sections (Internals, API,
>> > > Integration) and structuring the points for example as follows:
>> > >
>> > > -- High Performance, Robust Execution, and Fault-tolerance
>> > > High performance
>> > > Continuous Streaming Model with Flow Control
>> > > Fault-tolerance via Lightweight Distributed Snapshots
>> > > Memory Management
>> > > Iterations and Delta Iterations
>> > >
>> > > -- Ease of use, APIs, and Clear Semantics
>> > > One runtime for Streaming and Batch Processing
>> > > Expressive APIs (Batch + Streaming)
>> > > Exactly-once Semantics for Stateful Computations
>> > > Program Optimizer
>> > > Library Ecosystem
>> > >
>> > > -- Integration
>> > > Broad Integration
>> > >
>> > > Cheers, Fabian
>> > >
>> > > 2015-07-07 10:39 GMT+02:00 Till Rohrmann <trohrmann@apache.org>:
>> > >
>> > > > I also like the new feature page. I better conveys the strong
>> points of
>> > > > Flink, since it's more to the point.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Thanks Max!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Did not even know we had a github mirror of the flink-web repo...
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Maximilian Michels <
>> mxm@apache.org>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Hi Stephan,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Thanks for the feature page update. I think it is much more
>> > > informative
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > > better structured now.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > By the way, you could also open a pull request for your
changes
>> on
>> > > > > > https://github.com/apache/flink-web/pulls
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > > Max
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Fabian Hueske <
>> fhueske@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I'll be happy to help, eh draw ;-)
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > 2015-07-06 15:22 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org>:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Hi all!
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I think that the "Features" page of the website
is a bit
>> out of
>> > > > date.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I made an effort to stub a new one. It is committed
under "
>> > > > > > > features_new.md
>> > > > > > > > "
>> > > > > > > > and not yet built as an HTML page.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > If you want to take a look and help building this,
pull the
>> > > > flink-web
>> > > > > > git
>> > > > > > > > repository and build the website locally. You
can then look
>> at
>> > it
>> > > > > > under "
>> > > > > > > > http://localhost:4000/index_new.html"
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > So far, I am happy with the new contents. Three
things
>> remain
>> > to
>> > > be
>> > > > > > done:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > 1) The page misses a figure on Streaming throughput
and
>> > latency.
>> > > > > > > Currently,
>> > > > > > > > I am using a figure from some preliminary measurements
made
>> by
>> > > > > Marton.
>> > > > > > > > IIRC, Robert is running some performance tests
right now
>> and we
>> > > can
>> > > > > use
>> > > > > > > his
>> > > > > > > > results to create a new figure.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > 2) The figures could use some love. The concept
is good, but
>> > the
>> > > > > style
>> > > > > > > is a
>> > > > > > > > bit sterile. I was hoping that Fabian would help
out with
>> his
>> > > > amazing
>> > > > > > > style
>> > > > > > > > of drawing figures ;-)
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > 3) More people should have a look and say if we
should
>> replace
>> > > the
>> > > > > > > current
>> > > > > > > > "Features" page with this new one
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Greetings,
>> > > > > > > > Stephan
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>

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