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From "Matthias J. Sax" <mj...@informatik.hu-berlin.de>
Subject Re: Flink on Wikipedia
Date Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:57:17 GMT
I agree with Kostas and don't see much danger that people get confused.
Nevertheless, I will update the history section accordingly.


On 07/07/2015 04:48 PM, Kostas Tzoumas wrote:
> I think it is clear to most people that the only official and (hopefully)
> up-to-date description of an Apache project is its Apache website, and any
> paper can get outdated. Perhaps we can change the link to a more up-to-date
> paper when we have one.
> 
> I like the article, thanks Matthias!
> 
> Kostas
> 
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> Okay, I wrote a lot there
>>
>> tl:dr = Let's make sure people understand that the Stratosphere paper does
>> not describe Flink.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Matthias J. Sax <
>> mjsax@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote:
>>
>>> I can't follow. Stratosphere is only mentioned in the "History" part. Of
>>> course, we can strike out "Stratosphere II" and make clear that Flink is
>>> a fork on Stratosphere. But that is minor.
>>>
>>> And adding the Stratosphere papers as a reference, was the requirement
>>> to get the article accepted in the first place. Thus, it would not make
>>> sense to remove them. Currently, there are no other "reliable and
>>> notable" source (in term of Wikipedia guidelines) that can be used as
>>> references.
>>>
>>> Of course, the article is super short and needs to be extended. But the
>>> project is moving fast and only "stable" stuff should be on Wikipedia.
>>> It is hard enough to keep the project web page up to data. ;) Maybe, we
>>> can discuss what should be included and what not.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Matthias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/07/2015 04:17 PM, Stephan Ewen wrote:
>>>> Thanks, Matthias, for starting this.
>>>>
>>>> It looks a bit like the article talks more about the Stratosphere
>> project
>>>> than Flink right now.
>>>> I think we need to make a few things clear, to not confuse people:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Flink != Stratosphere. When looking at the Stratosphere Paper and
>> when
>>>> looking at Flink, you look at two completely different things. It is
>> not
>>>> just that a name changed.
>>>>
>>>> 2) It is not Stratosphere that became an Apache project. The project
>> that
>>>> became Apache Flink was forked from a subset of the Stratosphere
>> project
>>>> (core runtime only). That subset covered 1.5 out of the 5 areas of
>>>> Stratosphere.
>>>>
>>>> When Flink became an Apache project, the only features it contained
>> that
>>>> were developed as part of Stratosphere, were the iterations, and the
>>>> optimizer. Everything else had been re-developed.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Flink has nothing to do with Stratosphere II. Even though that
>>> research
>>>> project talks about streaming, they have a very different angle to
>> that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am writing this, because we are working heavy on making it easier for
>>>> people to grasp what Flink is, and what it is not.
>>>> A system with so many features and so much different technology is
>> bound
>>> to
>>>> be hard to grasp.
>>>>
>>>> The article gives people sources that seemingly describe what Flink is,
>>> but
>>>> have little to do with what it is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The relationship between Flink and Stratosphere is actually the
>>> following:
>>>> Flink is based on some research outcomes of Stratosphere (I), and was
>>>> bootstrapped from a fork of the Stratosphere code base of late 2013.
>> Ever
>>>> since, these two have been proceeding independently.
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest to change the article to clearly reflect that.
>> Otherwise,
>>>> we will not do Flink a favor, but confuse people.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Stephan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Henry Saputra <
>> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice work indeed!
>>>>>
>>>>> - Henry
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Chiwan Park <chiwanpark@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Great! Nice start. :)
>>>>>> The logo is shown now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Chiwan Park
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 7, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Maximilian Michels <mxm@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cool. Nice work, Matthias, and thanks for starting it off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:45 PM, Matthias J. Sax <
>>>>>>> mjsax@informatik.hu-berlin.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi squirrels,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am happy to announce Flink on Wikipedia:
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Flink
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Logo Request is still pending, but should be online soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Matthias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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