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From Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [Delta Iterations] The dirty insides(insights)
Date Sat, 21 Mar 2015 19:26:59 GMT
```Hi Andra!

I am still not 100% sure about the cause of the problem, but here is a bit
of background on how we model the computation as a delta iteration and how
you can extend the vertex state. Maybe that helps answer your question.

When using delta iterations for vertex-centric iterations, we keep the
vertices in the solution set as a two-tuple (vertex key, vertexvalue). The
key identifies the element in the solution set, so if we add a new version
of the vertex (same key, different value), the previous entry gets replaced.

The result of the iteration is the latest version of the solution set after
the last superstep.

Making the degree part of the vertex value should work (this makes the
vertex a nested tuple (key (inDeg, outDeg, value)). Also changing the
solution set types to be a 4-tuple (vertex key, inDegree, outDegree, value)
should work.

Greetings,
Stephan

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Andra Lungu <lungu.andra@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Stephan,
>
> What I am trying to do, among other things, is to make the vertex's
> inDegree and outDegree available in the vertexUpdate and sendMessages
> functions via vertex.getInDegrees().
> That is almost done: https://github.com/andralungu/flink/tree/spargelExt
>
> Only the problem is that the inDegrees are computed once, per graph before
> starting a vertex centric iteration. So, what I decided to do was to store
> the inDegree for each vertex within the Vertex object as an attribute. So
> far so good,
>
> DataSet<Vertex<K, VV>> newVertices =
> verticesWithInDegrees.runOperation(iteration);
>
> The vertices with in degrees are the initial vertices with the degrees set
> as values.
> When runOperation() gets called, precisely when
>
> createResult()
>
> from VertexCentricIteration gets called, the inDegrees stored are lost.
> This happens because basically in each superstep a new DataSet is created.
>
> I wanted to know how to keep the degrees there. In other words,
> how/where/what are the steps for vertex value updates and how to include
> the degrees there?
>
> Thanks!
> Andra
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Andra!
> >
> > I am not sure I am getting exactly what the question is. The code you
> > pasted is from the Spargel API - specifically just forwarding registered
> >
> > What do you mean with "the vertex values get reset" ?
> >
> > Stephan
> >
> > PS: The delta iterations are based in this paper:
> > http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.0088.pdf
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Andra Lungu <lungu.andra@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I've used delta iterations several times up until now, but I just
> > realized
> > > that I never fully understood what happens inside. And the
> documentation
> > > only explains things from a user's perspective. Which is why I could
> > really
> > > use your help :).
> > >
> > > Here goes nothing:
> > > In Gelly, Graph.java, there is a nice runVertexCentricIteration(...)
> > > method, which is in fact Spargel's - that disguises a delta iteration.
> > What
> > > I am trying to do is to set the vertex value before running
> > >
> > > DataSet<Vertex<K, VV>> newVertices =
> > > verticesWithInDegrees.runOperation(iteration);
> > >
> > > The problem is that after this runOperation, the vertex values get
> reset.
> > > Now, when I looked in VertexCentricIteration.java's createResult().
> > >
> > > It's a plain delta iteration that (more or less) looks like this:
> > >
> > > final DeltaIteration<Vertex<VertexKey, VertexValue>, Vertex<VertexKey,
> > > VertexValue>> iteration =
> > >    this.initialVertices.iterateDelta(this.initialVertices,
> > > this.maximumNumberOfIterations, zeroKeyPos);
> > >
> > > ................
> > >
> > > // configure coGroup update function with name and broadcast variables
> > > for (Tuple2<String, DataSet<?>> e : this.bcVarsUpdate) {
> > > }
> > >
> > > // let the operator know that we preserve the key field
> > >
> > >
> > > The
> > >
> > > DataSet<?>
> > >
> > > in the for is the problem. Vertex values get reset. Can someone give
> me a
> > > hint on how to propagate the vertex value throughout the iteration?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Andra
> > >
> > >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > P.S. Could someone please subscribe me to the @user mailing list? For
> > some
> > > reason, sending the mail to that recipient fails. Thanks!
> > >
> >
>

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