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From Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Question on providing CDH packages
Date Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:45:09 GMT
Hi Sean, I don't think Flink has done with a release yet.

We are trying to do several RCs to get the one that good enough to ve voted on.

- Henry

On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Sean Owen <srowen@gmail.com> wrote:
> PS, sorry for being dense, but I don't see vendor packages at
> http://flink.incubator.apache.org/downloads.html ?
>
> Is it this page?
> http://flink.incubator.apache.org/docs/0.6-SNAPSHOT/building.html
>
> That's more benign, just helping people rebuild for certain distros if
> desired. Can the example be generified to refer to a fictional "ACME
> Distribution"? But a note here and there about gotchas building for
> certain versions and combos seems reasonable.
>
> I also find this bit in the build script, although vendor-specific, is
> a small nice convenience for users:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-flink/blob/master/pom.xml#L195
>
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Owen O'Malley <omalley@apache.org> wrote:
>> As a mentor, I agree that vendor specific packages aren't appropriate for
>> the Apache site. (Disclosure: I work at Hortonworks.) Working with the
>> vendors to make packages available is great, but they shouldn't be hosted
>> at Apache.
>>
>> .. Owen
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Sean Owen <srowen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I hope not surprisingly, I agree. (Backstory: I am at Cloudera.) I
>>> have for example lobbied Spark to remove CDH-specific releases and
>>> build profiles. Not just for this reason, but because it is often
>>> unnecessary to have vendor-specific builds, and also just increases
>>> maintenance overhead for the project.
>>>
>>> Matei et al say they want to make it as easy as possible to consume
>>> Spark, and so provide vendor-build-specific artifacts and such here
>>> and there. To be fair, Spark tries to support a large range of Hadoop
>>> and YARN versions, and getting the right combination of profiles and
>>> versions right to recreate a vendor release was kind of hard until
>>> about Hadoop 2.2 (stable YARN really).
>>>
>>> I haven't heard of any formal policy. I would ask whether there are
>>> similar reasons to produce pre-packaged releases like so?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Alan Gates <gates@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>>> > Let me begin by noting that I obviously have a conflict of interest
>>> since my
>>> > company is a direct competitor to Cloudera.  But as a mentor and Apache
>>> > member I believe I need to bring this up.
>>> >
>>> > What is the Apache policy towards having a vendor specific package on a
>>> > download site?  It is strange to me to come to Flink's website and see
>>> > packages for Flink with CDH (or HDP or MapR or whatever).  We should
>>> avoid
>>> > providing vendor specific packages.  It gives the appearance of
>>> preferring
>>> > one vendor over another, which Apache does not want to do.
>>> >
>>> > I have no problem at all with Cloudera hosting a CDH specific package of
>>> > Flink, nor with Flink project members working with Cloudera to create
>>> such a
>>> > package.  But I do not think they should be hosted at Apache.
>>> >
>>> > Alan.
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