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From Alan Gates <ga...@hortonworks.com>
Subject Re: Question on providing CDH packages
Date Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:05:16 GMT
My concern with this is it appears to put Apache in the business of 
picking the right Hadoop vendors.  What about IBM, Pivotal, etc.?  I get 
that the actual desire here is to make things easy for users, and that 
the original three packages offered (Hadoop1, CDH4, Hadoop2) will cover 
95% of users.  I like that.  I just don't know how to do this and avoid 
the appearance of favoritism.

Perhaps the next best step is to ask on incubator-general and see if 
there is an Apache wide policy or if there needs to be one.


> Robert Metzger <mailto:rmetzger@apache.org>
> August 18, 2014 at 6:54
> Hi,
> I think we all agree that our project benefits from providing pre-compiled
> binaries for different hadoop distributions.
> I've drafted an extension of the current download page, that I would
> suggest to use after the release: http://i.imgur.com/MucW2HD.png
> As you can see, users can directly pick the Flink version they want (its
> not going to show the CDH4 package there) or they can choose from the 
> table
> with the most popular (in my opinion) vendor distributions.
> The different links still point to the "hadoop1", "hadoop2" binaries, 
> but I
> don't think this is highlighting any hadoop vendors.
> What do you think?
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 11:45 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> Henry Saputra <mailto:henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> August 15, 2014 at 14:45
> Ah sorry Alan, did not see your reply to Owen.
> Mea culpa from me.
> - Henry
> Alan Gates <mailto:gates@hortonworks.com>
> August 15, 2014 at 14:15
> Sorry, apparently this was unclear, as others asked the same 
> question.  Flink hasn't had any Apache releases yet.  I was referring 
> to the proposed release that Robert sent out, 
> http://people.apache.org/~rmetzger/flink-0.6-incubating-rc7/
> Alan.
> Sean Owen <mailto:srowen@gmail.com>
> August 15, 2014 at 11:26
> PS, sorry for being dense, but I don't see vendor packages at
> http://flink.incubator.apache.org/downloads.html ?
> Is it this page?
> http://flink.incubator.apache.org/docs/0.6-SNAPSHOT/building.html
> That's more benign, just helping people rebuild for certain distros if
> desired. Can the example be generified to refer to a fictional "ACME
> Distribution"? But a note here and there about gotchas building for
> certain versions and combos seems reasonable.
> I also find this bit in the build script, although vendor-specific, is
> a small nice convenience for users:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-flink/blob/master/pom.xml#L195
> Owen O'Malley <mailto:omalley@apache.org>
> August 15, 2014 at 11:01
> As a mentor, I agree that vendor specific packages aren't appropriate for
> the Apache site. (Disclosure: I work at Hortonworks.) Working with the
> vendors to make packages available is great, but they shouldn't be hosted
> at Apache.
> .. Owen

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