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From Alan Gates <ga...@hortonworks.com>
Subject Re: Question on providing CDH packages
Date Fri, 15 Aug 2014 21:15:57 GMT
Sorry, apparently this was unclear, as others asked the same question.  
Flink hasn't had any Apache releases yet.  I was referring to the 
proposed release that Robert sent out, 
http://people.apache.org/~rmetzger/flink-0.6-incubating-rc7/

Alan.

> Sean Owen <mailto:srowen@gmail.com>
> August 15, 2014 at 11:26 AM
> PS, sorry for being dense, but I don't see vendor packages at
> http://flink.incubator.apache.org/downloads.html ?
>
> Is it this page?
> http://flink.incubator.apache.org/docs/0.6-SNAPSHOT/building.html
>
> That's more benign, just helping people rebuild for certain distros if
> desired. Can the example be generified to refer to a fictional "ACME
> Distribution"? But a note here and there about gotchas building for
> certain versions and combos seems reasonable.
>
> I also find this bit in the build script, although vendor-specific, is
> a small nice convenience for users:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-flink/blob/master/pom.xml#L195
> Owen O'Malley <mailto:omalley@apache.org>
> August 15, 2014 at 11:01 AM
> As a mentor, I agree that vendor specific packages aren't appropriate for
> the Apache site. (Disclosure: I work at Hortonworks.) Working with the
> vendors to make packages available is great, but they shouldn't be hosted
> at Apache.
>
> .. Owen
>
>
>
> Sean Owen <mailto:srowen@gmail.com>
> August 15, 2014 at 10:32 AM
> I hope not surprisingly, I agree. (Backstory: I am at Cloudera.) I
> have for example lobbied Spark to remove CDH-specific releases and
> build profiles. Not just for this reason, but because it is often
> unnecessary to have vendor-specific builds, and also just increases
> maintenance overhead for the project.
>
> Matei et al say they want to make it as easy as possible to consume
> Spark, and so provide vendor-build-specific artifacts and such here
> and there. To be fair, Spark tries to support a large range of Hadoop
> and YARN versions, and getting the right combination of profiles and
> versions right to recreate a vendor release was kind of hard until
> about Hadoop 2.2 (stable YARN really).
>
> I haven't heard of any formal policy. I would ask whether there are
> similar reasons to produce pre-packaged releases like so?
>
> Alan Gates <mailto:gates@hortonworks.com>
> August 15, 2014 at 10:24 AM
> Let me begin by noting that I obviously have a conflict of interest 
> since my company is a direct competitor to Cloudera.  But as a mentor 
> and Apache member I believe I need to bring this up.
>
> What is the Apache policy towards having a vendor specific package on 
> a download site?  It is strange to me to come to Flink's website and 
> see packages for Flink with CDH (or HDP or MapR or whatever).  We 
> should avoid providing vendor specific packages.  It gives the 
> appearance of preferring one vendor over another, which Apache does 
> not want to do.
>
> I have no problem at all with Cloudera hosting a CDH specific package 
> of Flink, nor with Flink project members working with Cloudera to 
> create such a package.  But I do not think they should be hosted at 
> Apache.
>
> Alan.

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