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From Oleg Konovalov <oleg...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [FlexJS] Presenting at the HTML5 Dev Conference
Date Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:53:42 GMT
If you included GWT, include Vaadin too (it's better but used more in
Europe than in US).
I used it a few yrs ago and liked it a lot.

But maybe this time my vote would be for Dart  (AFTER FlexJS of course).

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:

> Good questions.  My thoughts:
> On 9/11/14 1:03 PM, "Harbs" <harbs.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Some additional thoughts: (don¹t know if you can fit this in ‹ and I
> >don¹t have the answers to all these points)
> >
> >FlexJS vs. Dart vs. Haxe. It seems that all three of these have points
> >for strong typing.
> I definitely try to make sure it doesn't sound like we thought of the idea
> of using a higher-level language for generating JS.  I include GWT and TS
> in the list.  I try not to set it up as a competition, but rather, a
> validation that strong-typing is important in building big things.  We can
> all go down to the local lumber yard and hack together a dog house out of
> wood and nails, but folks who build skyscrapers use different tools and
> techniques.  No high-rise buildings are made of wood and nails.
> >
> >Is there an advantage of ActionScript over those? (not sure)
> For dog houses, and probably one and two-story houses, there isn't any
> advantage.  But eventually, as your application grows, and the team that
> is building it grows, the requirement most of these other languages have
> of needing all of the code in once place in order to type-check it becomes
> a practical limitation.  Yes, these languages let you promise that some
> external thing will have a particular contract, but the ActionScript VM
> will verify the contract at the point of integration.  The Dart VM might,
> I haven't checked, but the JS runtimes certainly won't.
> >Is there an advantage of MXML? (probably yes)
> I think HTML proved the advantages of declarative markup.
> >
> >Maybe some thoughts on the MXML approach vs. HTML/CSS approach?
> >advantages and challenges, etc.
> I could certainly see someone creating a way to generate HTML from MXML,
> so I don't see it as an either/or.  We are just starting with MXML because
> we have it, and it is extensible.  I'm still not clear what is happening
> with Web Components and HTML extensibility.  But for sure, we have a
> better chance of working in IE9.
> >
> >What about TypeScript? Do we have advantages over that? What?
> IMO, having a markup language gives us advantages over TS.
> While it would be awesome if FlexJS became the most popular way to write
> HTML/JS/CSS apps, I will be more than happy just to be popular among
> enterprise or some other smaller market of folks building really big apps.
>  The notion of having markup to basically have a diagram or schematic of
> your components, and better connectors in AS and the VM to ensure those
> components are connected properly, an IDE that understands all of that, a
> debugger that also understands that, and scalability up to really large
> applications whose source code cannot be gathered all in one place, and
> scaleability down to mobile apps so you can share business logic with the
> mobile companion apps should make us attractive to those who are thinking
> ahead.  Once the requirement comes out to put a fifth floor on your wooden
> house, or add an addition to your house built in another country, you will
> find yourself worrying about a lot more things if you aren't using FlexJS.
> -Alex

Thank you,

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