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Subject: Re: Flex ios Indexed list
From: Marcus Fritze <marcus.fritze@googlemail.com>
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 13:39:34 +0200
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To: users@flex.apache.org

Tom,

a working example would be nice, to see what your list already can do.

If it's possible for you that your company is willing to make this =
component=20
open-source, then it would be nice to take a look at the component. ;-)

Thanks

Marcus

Am 08.08.2013 um 12:00 schrieb Tom Chiverton <tc@extravision.com>:

> I'm afraid not, at the moment it's only used in our mobile app, and =
you need an account with us to use it. I've just noticed our Store =
listing doesn't show this page too :-)
>=20
> Tom
>=20
> On 08/08/2013 10:17, Marcus Fritze wrote:
>> Tom,
>>=20
>> Do you have an example online?
>>=20
>> Thanks
>>=20
>> Marcus
>>=20
>> Am 08.08.2013 um 10:24 schrieb Tom Chiverton <tc@extravision.com>:
>>=20
>>> We didn't implement it as a subclass of list or a new skin or =
anything that complicated, just another component that sits along side =
the list, you tell it the list to attach to and it scans the =
dataProvider to make the list of letters, then calls ensureItemIsVisible =
on the list when a letter is clicked.
>>>=20
>>> I may be able to get the code contributed if this approach is =
preferred.
>>>=20
>>> Tom
>>>=20
>>> On 07/08/2013 22:01, Marcus Fritze wrote:
>>>> @Maurice
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks for the images.
>>>>=20
>>>> @Om
>>>>=20
>>>> Ok, thanks. But, at first I have to "understand" how List =
internally works and what the best
>>>> way for creating this new component is.
>>>> So it will take some time until I have a first "alpha version" of =
the indexed list. ;-)
>>>>=20
>>>> So don't blame me if the new component is not ready next week. :-)
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Marcus
>>>>=20
>>>> Am 07.08.2013 um 22:42 schrieb Maurice Amsellem =
<maurice.amsellem@systar.com>:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Screenshot from MAX 2011 Companion , showing the flex indexed list =
running on ipad:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ldwbbkpdedka3ja/Photo%2007-08-13%2022%2033%2056.=
png
>>>>>=20
>>>>> =
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1cbc458a24j2q1x/Photo%2007-08-13%2022%2034%2020.=
png
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Maurice
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> De : Marcus Fritze [marcus.fritze@googlemail.com]
>>>>> Envoy=E9 : mercredi 7 ao=FBt 2013 21:18
>>>>> =C0 : users@flex.apache.org
>>>>> Objet : Re: Flex ios Indexed list
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Ok, I thought someone (maybe Adobe or anybody else) already have a =
working indexed list.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> And is willing to donate this to Flex. So we don't have to invest =
our time in developing this
>>>>> component, when this already exists.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I think I will take a look how List / ListBase internally works =
and I maybe try to developing
>>>>> such a list. I have to look which component should be extended =
(List or ListBase).
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Of course any help is appreciated. ;-)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Am 07.08.2013 um 19:27 schrieb Adam Malejko <adam@malejko.com>:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Android version is definitely AIR and has the SWF in it.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> =
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=3Dair.com.adobe.conference.m=
axcompanion2011&hl=3Den
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> It doesn't act like a native Android indexed list, but works =
pretty well.
>>>>>> I'm sure someone on this list could reverse engineer it well =
enough.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> -Adam
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Maurice Amsellem <
>>>>>> maurice.amsellem@systar.com> wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Actually, This is not really an AIR app, but AIR app converted =
to iOS
>>>>>>> native app.
>>>>>>> So the .ipa does not include the SWF.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I thought you could install it on your device, but I now realize =
this is
>>>>>>> not possible since it comes from the App-Store.
>>>>>>> And since it's not on the App store anymore, they is no way to =
run it on
>>>>>>> your device (at least not with legal means ;-)
>>>>>>> Sorry.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> All I can do is send you the screenshots later.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Maurice
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>>>>> De : Marcus Fritze [mailto:marcus.fritze@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>> Envoy=E9 : mercredi 7 ao=FBt 2013 12:18
>>>>>>> =C0 : users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>> Objet : Re: Flex ios Indexed list
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Yes this seems to be a AIR app.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> But I can't find the swf inside the ipa to test the app? (I =
can't open the
>>>>>>> ipa on my device because I didn't loaded the app from the =
app-store.)
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Am 07.08.2013 um 11:09 schrieb Maurice Amsellem <
>>>>>>> maurice.amsellem@systar.com>:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Here is the link to the ipa package:
>>>>>>>> =
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12169005/MAX%202011%201.192.ipa
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> The app is free, so I hope this is legal :-)
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> I will upload screenshots later when I get to my iPad.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Maurice
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>>>>>> De : Marcus Fritze [mailto:marcus.fritze@googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>> Envoy=E9 : mercredi 7 ao=FBt 2013 10:16
>>>>>>>> =C0 : users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Objet : Re: Flex ios Indexed list
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> First of all thanks to all the feedback to my original message =
(which
>>>>>>> was on the dev list).
>>>>>>>> To be honest, I don't know which list (dev or users) is the =
correct one
>>>>>>> for discussion this issue.
>>>>>>>> I thought dev would be the right one, because finally we =
develop a new
>>>>>>> component or an existing component will be donated to Flex. But =
anyway,
>>>>>>> thanks for all the feedback, regardless on which list.
>>>>>>>> I downloaded the MAX 2011 app. Yes, there is such an indexed =
list.
>>>>>>> Really hard to say if it is Flex or native when you only see the =
app on the
>>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>>> @Maurice
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Please can you send me the screenshots to my e-mail? Or maybe =
the MAX
>>>>>>> Companion MAX 2011 1.192.ipa package?
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Am 07.08.2013 um 09:56 schrieb Maurice Amsellem <
>>>>>>> maurice.amsellem@systar.com>:
>>>>>>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>>>>>>> De : Maurice Amsellem
>>>>>>>>> Envoy=E9 : mercredi 7 ao=FBt 2013 09:55
>>>>>>>>> =C0 : users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Objet : RE: Flex ios Indexed list
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Actually, I got confused because there are two similar apps:
>>>>>>>>> - MAX 2011, made by AJ Software & Multimedia, which is a =
native app,
>>>>>>>>> and still on the App Store (package =3D MAX 2011 1.0.13*.ipa)
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> - MAX Companion, made by Adobe, which is an AIR app, and NOT =
on the
>>>>>>>>> app store anymore  (package =3D MAX 2011 1.192.ipa)
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Both have the indexed list  (although one is native and the =
other
>>>>>>> emulated in Flex), but I cannot attach screenshots to this =
mailing list to
>>>>>>> show you.
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Maurice
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>>>>>>> De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsellem@systar.com]
>>>>>>>>> Envoy=E9 : mercredi 7 ao=FBt 2013 09:42
>>>>>>>>> =C0 : users@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>>> Objet : RE: Flex ios Indexed list
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> I have found a way to know whether an app from the app store =
is made
>>>>>>> with AIR:
>>>>>>>>> If you unzip the .ipa package (for MAX 2011, it's one named =
MAX 2011
>>>>>>> 1.x.ipa), you will notice a folder named "META-INF" with the =
following
>>>>>>> structure META-INF/
>>>>>>>>> AIR/
>>>>>>>>>    Application.xml
>>>>>>>>>    <content>MaxCompanion2011.swf</content>
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> That's not a 100% proof, but really a good clue that this was =
made with
>>>>>>> AIR.
>>>>>>>>> Even AIR mobile apps that are compiled to native code have =
this
>>>>>>> structure,  and native apps never have it.
>>>>>>>>> Try for yourself testing on apps from the App Store (mostly =
games), you
>>>>>>> could be surprised...
>>>>>>>>> Maurice
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>>>>>>> De : Swen van Zanten [mailto:flex@hdsign.nl] Envoy=E9 : =
mercredi 7 ao=FBt
>>>>>>>>> 2013 09:07 =C0 : users@flex.apache.org Objet : Re: Flex ios =
Indexed
>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> This app is made in native code.. This is not an air app.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> SWEN VAN ZANTEN
>>>>>>>>> Hoofdstraat 160
>>>>>>>>> 2171 BL, Sassenheim
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Op 7 aug. 2013, om 01:27 heeft Maurice Amsellem <
>>>>>>> maurice.amsellem@systar.com> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Someone (Mick Powell <mick.powell@veeops.com>) asked on the =
dev list
>>>>>>> about inclusion of "ios indexed list" for Mobile Flex.
>>>>>>>>>> I remember a few years ago,  Adobe released a nice mobile app =
for MAX
>>>>>>> 2011, called "Adobe MAX 2011",  written for sure in AIR, and =
including a
>>>>>>> nice implementation of the indexed list.
>>>>>>>>>> It's still on the app store,  search for "ADOBE MAX 2011" and =
look at
>>>>>>> the screenshots.
>>>>>>>>>> Do you know, now that Adobe has left Flex, if they could =
donate the
>>>>>>>>>> source code for these list
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe it belongs to another  company  (App store says =
editor is AJ
>>>>>>> Software & Multimedia "http://aj-software.com/").
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Maurice
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Maurice Amsellem
>>>>>>>>>> SYSTAR R&D - BusinessBridgeFX
>>>>>>>>>> +33(0)1 49 11 45 62  /  +33(0)6 07 48 95 43
>>>>>>>>>>=20
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