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From Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Building the brand for Royale
Date Wed, 20 Sep 2017 18:09:16 GMT
I use to update my WP installations regularly. I did it just minutes ago ;)
I get notifications when some update is ready. As others in the team will
have admin privileges in the installation, we can organice us easily to see
how is in charge of doing updates. Others in the team could only have
editor profiles to avoid a bloated admin interface but be able to publish
in the system.

As I said we can in the future to change to a Royale App since we can get
data from WP REST APIs, but based in my experience I think you'll end
thinking that's not the right way as you manage the system for some time.

For me the real goal to get is to make our landing very intuitive. If we
get people that doesn't know anything about Flex or Royale, and can make
them understand and try it in minutes, we can transform that visit in a new
Royale user, and that should be our real target.

If you see competitors sites, they post code to show people what can they
do. It's easy to post code in the same way, but we could make a difference
if we can create a Royale App that could run the code posted and make
people do updates in our home to see how easy is to get ready with Royale.

If we get something like that I'm sure we'll make people get on board.

We should plan as well a great launch of our new brand and website as we
get ready talking with as most tech sites as we can to make people turn
their heads and look at us.





2017-09-20 19:51 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>:

> Hi -
>
> Wordpress on apache infrastructure would require following every Wordpress
> release which can be more frequently than monthly. The PMC would need to
> provide the manpower to do this. We would also need to be careful about
> plugins which can also have security issues.
>
> I say if we can eat our Royale then that would be best. If we go with Git
> it can be there and then we can refer to it from the official ask site
> and/or merge the two under standard ASF CMS.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> > On Sep 20, 2017, at 1:36 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I would stay away from WordPress just because of all the security issues
> > and maintenance required.
> >
> > Github pages should be a better place.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Om
> >
> > On Sep 20, 2017 10:26 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Hmm.
> >>
> >> I think if we grab a domain and donate it to the ASF, that it can't be
> >> hosted on non-ASF hardware.  That would need to be verified.
> >> Maybe it would be better for the Royale PMC to approve Royale.xx as a
> >> third-party domain under Carlos's control.  I think that's allowed.  The
> >> policy [1] says that "in general" it is NOT allowed, but "in general"
> >> implies it isn't a hard and fast rule.
> >>
> >> IMO, things under the PMC's control have certain obligations.  It has to
> >> be sustainable by "anyone".  How many folks know how to edit WordPress
> >> themes?  I don't.  I always choose one of their default themes.  It
> might
> >> have to be hosted or host-able by Apache Infra, and I don't know if they
> >> are ok with WordPress.
> >>
> >> Personally, I want to be able to stick FlexJS apps in our web presence.
> >> Honestly, I'd actually like to see our entire web presence be built in
> >> FlexJS.  It would truly be "eating our own dog food".  Yes, I know that
> >> mostly static pages aren't a great match for FlexJS/Royale, but in the
> >> end, shouldn't all of our web presence be dynamic?
> >>
> >> My 2 cents,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/domains.html
> >>
> >> On 9/20/17, 10:02 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> Rovira"
> >> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Alex,
> >>>
> >>> that's my bet. To make a good website I proposed to make it in
> Wordpress
> >>> since is what I have some expertise in that field (If I'm the person in
> >>> charge to make it happen). All the team can as well have an account in
> the
> >>> WP dash board to be able to post and share content in a easy way.
> >>>
> >>> WP will gave as the landing and some pages that would be useful for
> >>> convenience. But I think, as well, to link directly to the resources in
> >>> the
> >>> apache infrastructure in the main menu of the site just as we do now
> >>> (code,
> >>> GitHub, wiki, links to our mailing lists, releases, binaries, and so
> on)
> >>>
> >>> For domain registration I'd prefer .io since is very popular today, but
> >>> .as
> >>> seems ok for me as well.
> >>> I think Erik proposed to register the domain for us, so I think is ok
> for
> >>> me that he makes the registration. Maybe we could do it as soon as the
> >>> board approve the new TLP and name.
> >>>
> >>> I can host the site in CO servers with the rest of our websites, to
> >>> support
> >>> as well this change and initiative. Again I'll be waiting for board
> >>> approval to start working. I'm assuming here that you guys trust me to
> >>> make
> >>> this website and branding work, of course.
> >>>
> >>> So maybe we could make a thread to select from Royale.io and Royale.as,
> >>> and
> >>> of course if price for .io is very high we could go with .as if it's
> more
> >>> low.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2017-09-20 18:44 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Carlos,
> >>>>
> >>>> We can go grab some royale.<xxx> domains.  Apache will have some
rules
> >>>> about what can go on them.  At the worst it will have to be a straight
> >>>> redirect to royale.apache.org, but I think we might be able to have
> at
> >>>> least a landing page.  I think the goal is that Apache wants strong
> >>>> association with a project's web presence.  Even on a royale.foo
> landing
> >>>> page, the first mention of Royale probably has to be "Apache Royale".
> >>>>
> >>>> But also, I am hopeful we will be using GitBox and thus GitHub will
be
> >>>> our
> >>>> hub of activity.  And I think we should use GitHub pages and build a
> >>>> solid
> >>>> web presence there, again within Apache's rules.
> >>>>
> >>>> Royale.io is for sale.  We could ask what the price is.
> >>>> Royale.as appears to be unregistered.
> >>>>
> >>>> My 2 cents,
> >>>> -Alex
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9/20/17, 8:31 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> >>>> Rovira"
> >>>> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> as Alex and Dave said, we should wait for board approval.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Harbs, I was using "xxx" to refer to "whatever domain extension
out
> >>>> there
> >>>>> that would fit for us" ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Dave, I understand that we should use the apache domain for the
> >>>> service
> >>>>> apache provide (i.e: store code, mailing list, releases...), but
as
> >>>> many
> >>>>> other projects out there, I suppose we should as well have an
> external
> >>>>> tools or domains that serve our purpose. In the same way we have
> some
> >>>>> external servers or tools actually.
> >>>>> For example, we could have a cool name domain that points to a
> website
> >>>> and
> >>>>> there refer to the apache resources. If that option should go against
> >>>>> apache rules, that would be strange for me, and would certainly
be
> >>>>> hopeless
> >>>>> to work in and organization with such limitations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-09-20 16:44 GMT+02:00 Tomislav Pokrajcic <tomislav@svemir.net>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Guys, congrats for selecting the new project name.
> >>>>>> Still not sure how Royale resonates with me, but like it much
more
> >>>> than
> >>>>>> the 1st runner up.
> >>>>>> Non English speakers would pretty often confuse beads with beds
and
> >>>> job
> >>>>>> ads might sound strange.
> >>>>>> Just imagine:
> >>>>>> "Looking for an amazing Beads expert to join our team."
> >>>>>> :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tom
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 20.9.2017. 15:45, Dave Fisher wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As an Apache project the domain would be:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Royale.apache.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I can write a long discussion about policy later but there
are
> >>>> reasons,
> >>>>>>> requirements, approvals around use of other domains.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I know everyone is enthusiastic but let's get approved by
the board
> >>>>>>> first.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> * Domain: We must find a good and simple domain for Royale.
I think
> >>>> if
> >>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>> can find something short like "royale.XXX" would
be great over
> >>>>>>>>> "apacheroyale.XXX".
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> .com, .org, .net, .io etc. all seem to be either
in use or
> >>>> squatted
> >>>>>>>> upon.
> >>>>>>>> Am I forgetting memorable TLP extensions? I assume we
don't want
> >>>>>>>> anything
> >>>>>>>> like 'royale.foundation' or any fancy extensions like
that, right?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Are we considering extended names, like 'royaleframework'
as well?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I can register anything we decide and sponsor until
a foundation
> >>>> takes
> >>>>>>>> over
> >>>>>>>> and then transfer the domain.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> EdB
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Ix Multimedia Software
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> >>>>>>>> 3521 VB Utrecht
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> T. 06-51952295
> >>>>>>>> I.
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