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From Carlos Rovira <carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Date Wed, 13 Sep 2017 23:03:13 GMT
Hi,

I think we should target as well available domains. You could have a great
name but not a companion domain that would be ok with it.

When choosing a domain for ROYALE, we should have some options (first
consider that .com is almost impossible today...only very strange names
could have some opportunity and this is not the case, and not what we
really want, so:

1) Use "royaleframework.XXX" (for example Spring Framework did just that
http://www.springframework.com), but I don't like that solution, in fact
they changed to what I think is better:

2) "royale.XXX" where XXX could be for example ".io", today ".io" is very
normal in technology and is shorter. For the previous example they now are:
http://spring.io/

(again we should see what other respected and great frameworks did in the
past and copy what we think is ok for us)

So if we choose 2) We will have "royale.io", that for me is a very
attractive domain.

Regarding Alex and Dave research, we should think that ROYALE is a word
that we'll end having lots of referrals to many other things. Imagine you
want to name the project "CHEESE"...maybe here you should have to put some
other word to limit collisions (PURPLECHEESE, or whatever...)

Regarding Macromedia Royale, I think it was an internal codename that never
was registered and the normal rule is put efforts in protect the final
branding name, so we should not be worried about that in case this name is
ok for us.




2017-09-14 0:46 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:

> Here are the guts of what would I would put in a PODLINGNAMESEARCH for
> Royale.  I don't see anything blocking, but I don't know if there is an
> issue with using former Macromedia project code names.  It doesn't appear
> that Macromedia registered it.
>
> Interestingly the first definition for "Royale" is not at all what I
> thought [1].  It is for food.  But it certainly hasn't stopped lots of
> folks from using the second definition in product names [2].
>
> EVIDENCE OF OPEN SOURCE ADOPTION
>
> A search on Github for "Royale" returns 705 repositories.  The first two
> pages are results seem to have lots of references to a game called "Clash
> Royale" and "Battle Royale".  There is one repo for a "React-esque
> framework for Javascript"
>
> There is a Royale project on SourceForge, but it looks empty [4] and a
> "Royale OS" project that is attempting to be an alternative to Windows
> [5].  The link to the website for Royale OS is broken.
>
> EVIDENCE OF REGISTRATION
>
> Royale has been registered multiple times:
> 1) Restaurant and bar services
> 2) Entertainment
> 3) Paints
> 4) Dinnerware
> 5) Wine
> 6) Backpacks
>
> Royale Software was registered but is now deemed "DEAD".
>
> EVIDENCE OF USE ON WORLD WIDE WEB
>
> Google search turned up an "OSRoyale" project [6] and a search for "Royale
> Software" turned up [7].  In addition there are products with "Royal"
> instead of "Royale" like [8] and [9].
>
> Also Macromedia used "Royale" as the code name for Flex.  A search for
> "Macromedia Royale" turns up some hits.
>
> [1] http://www.dictionary.com/browse/royale?s=t
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royale
> [3] https://github.com/search?p=2&q=Royale&type=Repositories&utf8=✓
> [4] https://sourceforge.net/projects/royale/
> [5] https://sourceforge.net/projects/royaleos/?source=directory
> [6] https://www.osroyale.com
> [7] http://pmdtec.com/picofamily/blog/tag/royale/
> [8] http://linux-royal.net
> [9] https://www.royalapplications.com/ts/mac/features
>
> On 9/13/17, 2:57 PM, "omuppi1@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
> <omuppi1@gmail.com on behalf of bigosmallm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >We could always structure the VOTE like this:
> >
> >1.  Royale
> >2.  XXX
> >3.  YYY
> >4.  FlexJS
> >
> >One vote should answer both questions.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Om
> >
> >On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Piotr Zarzycki
> ><piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On the other hand, we have rather majority of voices for do not change
> >>the
> >> name and Alex is right. - I'm seeing more people asking for help with
> >> porting. - We may disappear in the sea of frameworks with changed
> >>name...
> >>
> >> Maybe better have solid framework and invest in current name still with
> >> nice branding. I'm puzzled, so definitely I will give myself at least
> >>one
> >> day more before VOTE.
> >>
> >> Piotr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-09-13 23:31 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> > +1 for Dave's proposition on starting the VOTE for name change.
> >> >
> >> > I would like to also add that Carlos's proposition for help to build
> >>new
> >> > brand triggers me. Peter helped also do understand that we can always
> >> state
> >> > from where we have come and what was our story.
> >> >
> >> > I'm going to change my mind on name changing and pickup "Royale" as
> >>the
> >> > most powerful for the new one. - The main question is can we use it
> >>since
> >> > it was code name of Macromedia Framework ?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Piotr
> >> >
> >> > 2017-09-13 22:59 GMT+02:00 Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi -
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Sep 13, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Harbs <harbs.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Carlos’ argument carries weight to me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If a new name will help motivate him in terms of marketing it,
> >>that’s
> >> >> value I can recognize.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The name is not as important to me as motivating people to be
> >>involved
> >> >> in the project. We can build whatever messages we want around the
> >>name.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Carlos clearly feels more passionate about his position than I
do
> >> about
> >> >> mine.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > A hesitation I have about picking a new name is that I don’t
want
> >>to
> >> >> delay the board’s decision on the new PMC. If we go for a new name
> >>can
> >> we
> >> >> try and pick one quickly?
> >> >>
> >> >> Let's start the FlexJS yes or no vote tonight or tomorrow morning.
> >> >>
> >> >> In parallel we can discuss other names if a new name is the result
> >>then
> >> >> we can immediately start the next vote. We have just enough time.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Dave
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Harbs
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Sep 13, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Carlos Rovira <
> >> >> carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hi all,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'm putting some efforts here since I think this is really
> >>important
> >> >> for
> >> >> >> all of us and for our beloved FlexJS project.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Name, website and all the visuals behind it matters....and
is
> >> >> important in
> >> >> >> a way many of us in this community maybe can't imagine. If
we
> >>don't
> >> >> get a
> >> >> >> fresh and compelling name and a clean and beautiful site where
we
> >> >> explain
> >> >> >> all the great things our technology can do, we are losing
our
> >>time,
> >> >> since
> >> >> >> this project will end with the bulk of the others xxxJS projects,
> >>and
> >> >> >> that's even horrible when our tech could be used for things
other
> >> than
> >> >> JS!!
> >> >> >> (If we want in future years to make it possible).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> @Alex: I Think we can't have a PROJECT name != of PRODUCT
name for
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Piotr Zarzycki
> >> >
> >> > mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
> >> > skype: zarzycki10
> >> >
> >> > LinkedIn:
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Piotr Zarzycki
> >>
> >> mobile: +48 880 859 557
> >> skype: zarzycki10
> >>
> >> LinkedIn:
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