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From Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
Date Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:23:40 GMT
Braid is fine with me too.

If FlexJS doesn’t work, we can just play the game… B-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game) <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braid_(video_game)>

Harbs

> On Sep 19, 2017, at 10:12 PM, Peter Ent <pent@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> 
> I'm inclined to favor "Braid" over Limber (however you want to spell it)
> because I can think of too many puns associated with Limber and the first
> thing that comes to mind, for me, is cheese that smells.
> 
> I don't remember how to pronounce "Borja" and while English always seems
> to dominate, English-speaks will most likely pronounce it Boar-JA and a
> few will go with Boar-YA or Boar-HA. So there will probably always be a
> need for correction.
> 
> While "Apache Royale" has a nice ring to it for me, I think "Braid" has
> the right feel. You get things intertwined for a purpose, things in a
> pattern, strands woven together, that sort of thing.
> 
> "Braid" also brings to mind "Helix". I haven't looked to see if there are
> any projects that use "Helix" which I'm sure there are. And if so, maybe
> "Felix" to give a nod back to Flex along with the helix.
> 
> —peter
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/19/17, 2:59 PM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
> 
>> I am not an expert, but AIUI, trademarks are intended to avoid confusion
>> in a marketplace.  There are lots of products named Flex, such as cars,
>> diabetes testing kits, and more.  There are even other software products
>> called Flex and we need to consider whether it confuses potential
>> customers about what Flex is being talked about.
>> 
>> Mostly, we will use the term "Apache <ProjectName>" instead of just
>> <ProjectName> when publishing things, but later in those documents we'll
>> probably just refer to it as <ProjectName>.
>> 
>> So, IMO, having other projects on GitHub called Braids isn't a deal killer
>> and your link [1] probably won't cause confusion.  I was more concerned
>> about the Braids project related to Tensor-flow as Tensor-flow might
>> become the new hot thing in software in general and if that Braids took
>> off lots of mentions of Braids would be about that.  There is also a
>> Braids "static staging compiler" for TypeScript.
>> 
>> That's why I'm concerned about Royale when there is a GitHub project
>> called Royale that is a "A React-esque framework for Javascript".  Think
>> of it this way.  If you did a search on GitHub for our project name and
>> didn't realize we were associated with Apache, would you click on one of
>> these other project instead, and how long would it take you to realize it
>> wasn't the right one?  If you go try to sell writing an app in Royale and
>> a competitor has proposed writing it in React with the other GitHub
>> Royale, will that be confusing to your client?
>> 
>> I wrote to trademarks@ to see if they are similarly concerned.  They don't
>> always respond right away.  If they are not concerned, I will probably
>> vote for Royale just so we have a name for tomorrow.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> -Alex
>> 
>> On 9/19/17, 11:43 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I checked Braid on github and found [1]. It was quite popular - can we
>>> just
>>> grab that name - I still do not understand fully those trademarks
>>> implications.
>>> 
>>> [1] 
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>>> 
>>> 2017-09-19 20:38 GMT+02:00 Kessler CTR Mark J
>>> <mark.kessler.ctr@usmc.mil>:
>>> 
>>>> Apache Bob...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Harbs [mailto:harbs.lists@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 2:20 PM
>>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name of the FlexJS Fork
>>>> 
>>>> Ick…
>>>> 
>>>> Why do these things have to be so complicated? ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> Harbs
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are any number of meanings for boja in many languages with and
>>>> without diacritics.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.m.wi
>>>> k
>>>> tionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fboja&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5ebf232812004352ad0108d4ff8e
>>>> 4
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>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Andrew Wetmore <cottage14@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can think of three ways* to pronounce "bo-ja" without even
>>>> resorting
>>>> to a
>>>>>> South African "click" language. This makes it a challenge to refer
>>>> to
>>>> the
>>>>>> product to anyone who does not already use it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *bodja, booya, boha.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
>>>> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Om,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> No offend :) That is why it is so hard to choose ;) I think "bo-ja"
>>>> is
>>>> the
>>>>>>> closes to how I pronounce it. :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Piotr
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2017-09-19 19:31 GMT+02:00 OmPrakash Muppirala
>>>> <bigosmallm@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Boja is one name I really dislike.  Sorry Piotr😕
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also I dont know how to pronounce it. Is it Bo-ha, or boo-ha
or
>>>> bo-ja,
>>>>>>> etc?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017 10:09 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki"
>>>> <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Reading Alex in VOTE thread and how many times we are
mentioning
>>>> Boja
>>>>>>> - I
>>>>>>>>> will change my VOTE. Limbr is a bit dangerous having
Dave's
>>>> finding.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Piotr
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2017-09-19 18:41 GMT+02:00 Harbs <harbs.lists@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, I think Limbr is another good spelling.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 7:34 PM, Alex Harui
>>>> <aharui@adobe.com.INVALID>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> We don't have time for another vote thread. 
We need to close
>>>> down
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> vote tonight or early tomorrow morning.  So,
if you are ok with
>>>>>>>> Limber
>>>>>>>>>>> (still not clear it will win, please state objections
to using
>>>>>>> Limbyr
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> the spelling.  It is true a unique spelling stand
out from
>>>> search
>>>>>>>>>> results,
>>>>>>>>>>> but first, you have to remember how to spell
it, and my spell
>>>>>>> checker
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> constantly changing.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/17, 5:05 AM, "Kessler CTR Mark J" <
>>>>>>> mark.kessler.ctr@usmc.mil
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> If limber wins, a simple discussion thread
should resolve
>>>> letter
>>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>>>>> to the name.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Mark K
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Piotr Zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@flex.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [DISCUSS] Name
of the FlexJS
>>>> Fork
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> It has advantage of having the name which
do not exist on
>>>> github.
>>>>>>>> Let
>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>> that Limber with win in the voting - We probably
have to open
>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>> VOTE
>>>>>>>>>>>> to have "Limbyr" - Which I like personally.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it enough that PMCs agreed here with changing
Limber to
>>>> Limbyr
>>>>>>>>> here ?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557 <+48%20880%20859%20557>
>>>>>>>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557
>>>>>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Andrew Wetmore
>>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Piotr Zarzycki
>>> 
>>> mobile: +48 880 859 557
>>> skype: zarzycki10
>>> 
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>> 
> 


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