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From Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
Subject AW: FlexJS - roadmap to 1.0 release
Date Thu, 08 Sep 2016 17:05:20 GMT
Hi all,

And we should keep in mind that there is always the threat of the full time developers no
longer being paid for their work on flex. The more undocumented stuff we have, the more the
project will suffer in that case.

Chris


Von meinem Samsung Galaxy Smartphone gesendet.


-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Diabate, Koman" <Koman.Diabate@sandag.org>
Datum: 08.09.16 18:24 (GMT+01:00)
An: dev@flex.apache.org
Betreff: RE: FlexJS - roadmap to 1.0 release

I really love this comment from Josh.

"I guarantee you, if the wiki lists all of the components with ridiculously simple examples,
and if we post some FlexJS asdocs under the documentation menu on the main site, that's going
to make a huge difference."

I have been following this mailing list for years, and I am so glad you guys are finally talking
about this, because it's needed.

Koman Diabate

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Tynjala [mailto:joshtynjala@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 8:55 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: FlexJS - roadmap to 1.0 release

There really is a need for some better basic documentation. Not even advanced level stuff.
We already have some of that, actually. Most users aren't going to start developing custom
components and contributing right away, though. They're going to want some more hand holding.

Let's say that I went to this section about FlexJS on the wiki:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/FlexJS

I'm looking for a list of available components, and hopefully, each component has a page with
the simplest example possible of how to use it. I just clicked around on a few sub-pages,
and I couldn't find anything like that. Does it exist? I don't know, but after a couple of
minutes of looking, a potential new user just gave up because FlexJS looks too hard to learn.

I also went to the main website to look for the API reference (asdocs) for
FlexJS:

http://flex.apache.org/

There's nothing under the documentation menu. I only found Flex and FlexUnit asdocs. Based
on their URLs, I took a random guess that this might work, but no luck: http://flex.apache.org/flexjs/asdoc/

That's about as much as the average potential new users is going to try before giving up.
They're probably not even going to install FlexJS and look at the included examples. There
wasn't enough information on the website to make them want to bother.

I guarantee you, if the wiki lists all of the components with ridiculously simple examples,
and if we post some FlexJS asdocs under the documentation menu on the main site, that's going
to make a huge difference.

- Josh

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Christofer Dutz <christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
wrote:

> I don't quite agree.
>
>
> The problem with FlexJS is that you have to do things differently than
> with Flex. For Flex the web is full of useful and less useful how-tos
> on the topic, but for FlexJS there is next to nothing to be found.
>
>
> It would be great to have some Documentation, walking an interested
> User into the details and concepts of FlexJS. Without a "handbook" we
> have some kick-ass software only kick-ass users will understand to
> use. I doubt that targeting only the kick-ass users will bring us the
> user-numbers we are looking for. It's not "features over all". The
> more we do without documenting, the more documentation-debt we produce.
>
>
> I tried writing documentation for the parts I do, while I'm at it. I
> hope I was doing a somewhat good job of this, and I think it would be
> great to not only code concepts but write down some words about them in the Wiki.
>
>
> Perhaps we should start a wiki page, containing features we consider
> important for a 1.0.0 and could add a dedicated docs-wish list. Jira
> sort of doesn't cleanly support creating and prioritizing a big-picture.
>
>
> Chris
>
> ________________________________
> Von: Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. September 2016 17:16:03
> An: dev@flex.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: FlexJS - roadmap to 1.0 release
>
> What kind of documentation are you talking about?  Just filling out
> ASDoc, or pages of words?
>
> There are so many things that need to be done that having folks who
> aren't currently committing code to FlexJS help with filling out ASDoc
> and recruiting people who are good at writing to write more verbose
> documentation would be a great help.  I don't agree that doc is more
> important than functionality until you have enough functionality, and
> the lack of a testimonial makes me think we aren't quite there yet.
>
> If someone tried FlexJS and isn't sure what they can do, a more
> specific question/comment would help.  We could create a JIRA issue
> called "FlexJS Doc Wish list" and folks can comment in there.  We
> can't guess what folks need. It would be better for folks to try to do
> what they want to do and if it can't do it, they should ask about it.
>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
> On 9/8/16, 12:18 AM, "Harbs" <harbs.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >+1000
> >
> >Documentation is the first thing people look for in a framework. This
> >is absolutely critical (more than functionality and production apps).
> >Unfortunately, I’m really bad at documentation, so I can’t help much
> >with this.
> >
> >AFA productions apps go, my conversion to FlexJS is moving along
> >quite nicely. I don’t have an ETA yet, but I’m really hoping it will
> >be usable by the end of the year (and hopefully sooner).
> >
> >On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:27 AM, piotrz <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In my opinion documentation is the second thing which need to be
> >>done before
> >> 1.0
> >
>
>

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