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From jude <flexcapaci...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Loosing my drive ...
Date Fri, 06 Nov 2015 08:23:01 GMT
What needs to change? Please list things out here. I started working on a
very small UI that's goal is to help install FlexJS, create new project and
compile that project (and return errors and warnings). Right now it's just
calling out to the ant build and running different targets on it. I don't
know yet how to set the environment up to make all those targets work. But
we have the same goal to make it easier. I can just as easily work with
maven. Let me know what you need and how to help.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Christofer Dutz <christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>

> Moving this thread to public dev list ...
> Adding my statement from the initial thread, that from now on I will stop
> contributing to things not built by a sensible build (doesn't have to be
> Maven even if I strongly suggest it).
> Chris
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. November 2015 23:07
> An: private@flex.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Loosing my drive ...
> Chris, can we re-start or move this thread to dev@?  I don’t think it
> should be private.  It’s ok for the community to know you are frustrated.
> If not, can we at least start a poll on dev@ about Maven?
> I have more to say, but I’d rather wait until the thread is public.
> Thanks,
> -Alex
> On 11/5/15, 1:59 PM, "omuppi1@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala"
> <omuppi1@gmail.com on behalf of bigosmallm@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Chris,
> >
> >I really hope you don't lose drive.  Think of this as a marathon and
> >not a sprint, if that helps :-)
> >
> >Building with maven is a great thing to have for Flex and FlexJS.  The
> >main problem is that lots of folks don't know what Maven is, much less
> >go inside and make it work.  I believe you are one of the very few in
> >the world who can do this.
> >
> >Maybe, you can start by describing the problems you are seeing, explain
> >why they need to be solved and ask others to help out.  It would be
> >beneficial if you a live wiki page where you list a set of issues you
> >are working on and invite people to help out.  Smaller the chunks, the
> >easier it is for others to help out.
> >
> >When I was working on the Android 4.x and iOS7+ skins, it seemed
> >overwhelming at the beginning.  Then I asked people for help and few
> >folks helped out which inspired me to work and really helped out the
> >project as a whole.
> >
> >Here are the wiki pages I had going during that project:
> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Progress+info+for+Andr
> >oid
> >+4.x+skins
> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=466337
> >47
> >
> >Hope this helps.
> >
> >Thanks for all the great work you have been doing all these years.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Om
> >
> >On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Harbs <harbs.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Chris,
> >>
> >> We definitely don’t want you to lose your drive. (At least I don’t…)
> >>
> >> Personally, until recently I knew nothing about build processes.
> >> Sure, I’ve run ant from the command line, but I had no clue what I was
> doing.
> >>
> >> To me, Maven is just a word. I got to the point where I have an idea
> >>how  ant works, although I can’t say I’m really proficient at using
> >>it. I know  nothing about Maven besides the fact that you believe very
> >>strongly that  it’s the way to go. I’d be willing to learn if you’re
> >>willing to teach.
> >>
> >> I do agree with you that the build process is pretty complex (or at
> >>least  it feels that way), but I don’t know if that’s by necessity or
> >>not. To me  it seems like a mess of ant scripts dependent on each
> >>other where the  dependencies are very hard to follow. Maybe even a
> >>document which spells  out the dependencies and the order of them (if
> >>the order matters) would be  helpful.
> >>
> >> On Nov 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Christofer Dutz
> >> <christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Taking this to another thread ...
> >> >
> >> > The problem is that for the last 3 or 4 years I have done nothing
> >> > else
> >> than clean up behind others. I want to create great things, but all I
> >>do  all the time is clean up. Why? Cause none else seems to care and
> >>if I don't  do it none will. But I'm dramatically loosing my drive.
> >>Especially if I  motivate myself to get things done and then I have to
> >>wait till that drive  goes away due to politics, legal discussions,
> >>simple understanding issues  or other restraints. Other people seem to
> >>have similar issues, but I can't  tell cause I have stopped reading
> >>the FlexJS and Falcon release threads a  while ago as they only seemed
> >>to contain people having problems.
> >> >
> >> > With Maven, no matter what project I have come across, all you
> >> > needed
> >>to
> >> do is, checkout and run "mvn clean install" ... no matter what
> >>project, it  just works and I can concentrate on what I want to do ...
> >>cause it's  definitely not me wanting to be the caretaker of a build
> >>someone puked into  the repository (I am not talking about the Flex
> >>build being build-puke,  it's bad, but not quite that bad ;-) , but I
> >>have come across quite some  bad builds in my past). If our build was
> >>deterministic and simple, more  than two people would contribute, but
> >>I'm repeating myself. I would suggest  to hit the brake, cleanup the
> >>build and as soon as that's solid, continue.
> >> I know that this way the release will be later, but we would gain the
> >>momentum we need. FlexJS will never reach it's potential as long as
> >>only 2  or 3 people work on it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Chris
> >>
> >>

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