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From: Christofer Dutz <christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
To: "dev@flex.apache.org" <dev@flex.apache.org>
Subject: AW: AW: 360 Flex (was Re: How about proposing for a Flex track at the
 ApacheCon EU?)
Thread-Topic: AW: 360 Flex (was Re: How about proposing for a Flex track at
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 19:17:39 +0000
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I think the main idea about the ApacheCon is not that I book a conference t=
o learn technology X and just X.

I go there cause i want to learn new stuf, learn what's going on, look outs=
ide of my area of expertise. We need to get more people interested in Flex.=
 You don't let this community grow by offering a conference dedicated to on=
ly flex. But if you have a conference on BigData, Cloud Computing, Cool Dev=
Ops stuff AND Flex that is definitely going to attract more new people than=
 an Flex 360 (My opinion). And it would have been much easier for me to get=
 my boss to fly to an ApacheCon than to a Flex 360.

Apache is about Community, ApacheCon is about community, and we definitely =
need to work a little on that part.

If there are no objections or any other people willing to do so, I would vo=
lunteer to submit a Track proposal to the CpacheCon comitee, as I would rea=
lly love to spread the word a little more :)

Chris=20

________________________________________
Von: Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
Gesendet: Montag, 20. April 2015 21:05
An: dev@flex.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: 360 Flex (was Re: How about proposing for a Flex track at =
the ApacheCon EU?)

My takeaway from the discussion about ApacheCon on the Apache-wide mailing
lists is that ApacheCon is a for-profit venture of the Linux Foundation.
The LF is not out to promote all Apache projects, just the ones they think
will sell the most tickets.  Maybe I=92m under-selling Flex, but I don=92t
think Flex at ApacheCon is a big enough draw to get folks to pay the big
bucks to get into ApacheCon although, given that there isn=92t a 360|Flex
outside the US, I suppose it might be cheaper for some folks to attend
ApacheCon EU than fly to the US.  It just isn=92t cheaper for me, and I=92m
pretty sure a 360|Flex in the US will have a much lower ticket cost than
ApacheCon will.

IMO, if Flex does start to become more and more popular, it may then make
sense to be part of ApacheCon or have a second lower-cost Flex-only
conference in Europe and/or Asia.  It sort of depends on what kinds of
responses we get on threads like this.  If we get a bunch of replies from
folks who want to get together, it will help us determine what our next
best move is.

For me, the relatively quiet response we get indicates that there aren=92t
enough folks who want a conference on Flex.  Of course, we might be asking
in the wrong place.

You are welcome to pursue getting the LF to have a Flex track at ApacheCon
EU, and/or, put together a smaller cheaper conference yourself.  I=92ll do
what I can to try to help you push on the folks at Apache and the LF for
acceptance if that=92s what you want to do, but I probably can=92t attend
ApacheCon EU myself in 2015, and I=92m not going to be very enthusiastic if
they ask me what I think the impact will be of having Flex on the schedule.

Thanks,
-Alex

On 4/20/15, 11:45 AM, "Christofer Dutz" <christofer.dutz@c-ware.de> wrote:

>So Why Not concentrate on ApacheCons? We are part of the foundation and
>are a pretty active project. I don't see the need for something
>separately. And none really has to take any risk.
>
>Chris
>
>Gesendet mit meinem HTC
>
>----- Reply message -----
>Von: "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com>
>An: "dev@flex.apache.org" <dev@flex.apache.org>, "Dave Glasser"
><dglasser@pobox.com>
>Betreff: 360 Flex (was Re: How about proposing for a Flex track at the
>ApacheCon EU?)
>Datum: Mo., Apr. 20, 2015 19:07
>
>On 4/20/15, 8:05 AM, "Dave Glasser" <dglasser@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>On a somewhat related subject, it appears that the 360 Flex conference is
>>no more, although I can't find a formal announcement to that effect. Does
>>anyone know what the deal is?
>
>It=92s been a while since I talked to the organizers, but while there is n=
o
>360|Flex planned for 2015, I don=92t think it means there can=92t be one
>scrambled together later this year or couldn=92t be one next year.  I=92ve
>asked the 800 or so folks on this mailing list about their interest in a
>conference like 360|Flex and didn=92t get an enthusiastic response, so I
>haven=92t pushed for a conference.  There is a certain financial outlay to
>put together a conference and I don=92t want the organizer to risk too muc=
h.
>
>IMO, a 360|Flex doesn=92t have to have the same format it has in the past.
>It can be more like a summit, or just have a single track.  If we can
>converge on a good idea and time frame for some sort of meet up, we can
>see if the organizer wants to help up make it happen.
>
>I don=92t have the travel budget to do ApacheCon EU this year, but I can g=
o
>anywhere on the US west coast and possible other places in the US to meet
>up F2F about Flex.  And, in case you missed it earlier, I will be happy to
>spend some F2F time with anyone who can make it to Seattle to discuss
>Flex.
>
>-Alex
>