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From f...@dfguy.us
Subject Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player
Date Wed, 25 Feb 2015 20:36:59 GMT
All of that is completely true. It's really great to read it all put together like this. I
definitely remember all of this when it was happening. What I'm wondering is how approaching
creating an independent VM would be done. I sometimes wonder if it would be better as a stand
alone company outside of Adobe, but they seem to be capable of doing it since they were on
that path before and made so much progress.

If it could be shown in a class action suit that there was collaboration and coercion involved
with Jobs or Apple I think that would be great. It's definitely not competition that we experienced
the last few years. I'm sure there could be some pretty significant damages on such a large
scale as what took place. Plus, with such a large market cap and cash pile I'm sure it wouldn't
make much difference. 700 billion now I think.

What that means is that Apple is now in the same position as IBM back in the 90s in a lot
of ways with a very closed grip on the market place with a lot to lose.

I agree with you though too that JS cannot really ever recreate the VM. If you've used both
at a very low level you know that they are very different and there are a plenty of features
that can never be recreated. Here's a good list that's pretty basic:


This is also a good list of features from over the years:



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephane Beladaci <adobeflexengineer@gmail.com>
To: dev <dev@flex.apache.org>
Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: "The Player", a case for an independent Flash Player

Oops, wrong link... here it is, Top tech CEOs advocate Flash:

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Stephane Beladaci
<adobeflexengineer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:07 AM,  <flex@dfguy.us> wrote:
>> Keep in mind though that Adobe is still investing in flash and air. They are just
focused on gaming.
> I agree, this is one of the strategic moves I applauded Adobe for.
> There are very specific strategic interest in this focus on gaming:
> 1/ it keeps the development team focused, Adobe is drastically
> invested in India based human resources and I have exposed both my
> concerns and the result of my research about that. Based on the
> education system in India, it seems that you simply cannot maintain a
> developing team performant for product based development. Services,
> yes. Cisco, yes. VMware, definitely. DirectTV, HBO, Adobe, Disney,
> Apple... forget it! I bet you most highly performing professional you
> know from those companies are second generation. By having a highly
> creative team in SF, California, or even Eastern Europe and a highly
> efficient technical team in India focused on clearly defined features,
> it seems they have been able to deliver.
> 2/ simply put, if it is good enough for games, it is good enough for
> anything! you can't scam the world about Flash performance when built
> for gaming, it was so easy to do so when it was built for banner ads.,
> 3/ games and desktop video are more viral and spread faster and
> quicker than anything else, Adobe focused on those two, here is our
> guarantee to keep above 95%browser penetration and near ubiquity
> across platform and OS. You can tell anything b*tching about Flash
> "have you watched the Olympics? Not the last? What about the before
> the last? Ok, either way it does not matter what your device was, it
> is was Flash, Flex, AIR, AS3 and zero HTML5". Same with Angry Bird,
> how long did it take Google and Rivo? LOL still last week I could not
> play without Flash outside of Chrome.
>> There probably would be a mobile version if not for the fragmentation in the market
from iOS, causing them to drop off of it.
> I do not think so, out f the top 10 multinationals in the mobile
> industry, 9 committed to dedicate resources and have their engineers
> work hand in hand with Adobe's engineer to "optimize and accelerate
> Flash Player and AIR for mobile platforms and chipsets", and bring
> that ecosystem to their mobile devices "because you simply cannot have
> the full web experience on mobile devices, without Flash". I am not
> saying it, the CEOs of Google, ARM, Motorola, HTC, Intel, NVIDIA,
> Palm, QUALCOMM, RIM, Broadcom, DoCoMo, and STMicroelectronics are. On
> cam. Google HTML5 evangelists should remember those words from their
> CEO Eric Schmidt: "We need Flash in order to show off the best of
> applications available on the web. The Open Screen Project is the next
> step in the evolution of Flash".
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt3hTGpfrSE
> So, Adobe did not drop Flash on Android because of browser
> fragmentation, it killed it because the Open Screen Project was about
> to put Apple to shame and have its sale plummet if Jobs persisted in
> not supporting Flash. So, I believe and hope to be able to prove soon
> that Jobs coerced Adobe to kill Flash Player, in exchange of what
> Apple made AIR the rockstar of the iOS. My problem with that is 1/
> pure plain conspiracy, 2/ hijack free open business to walled taxed
> proprietary fascist system, 3/ it is racketeering.
>> I think that it's correct to think that maintaining an open source VM would be a
lot of work, and keep in mind that just because it's open source doesn't > mean it will
be runnable on iOS, unless it's based on javascript somehow. I think flexjs is set up to compile
down as to JavaScript in a basic fashion.
> How many billion and decades is it going to take for a consensus about
> the fact that JS will never be capable of competing with app stores?
> It cannot be entirely, fully open source. It cannot have its
> implementation left freely to the browsers or OS. It has to have a
> proprietary component that allows us to keep some level of control.
> Remember Eric Schmidt "Open Screen Project is the next step in the
> evolution of Flash", not "HTML5 open source standard in the next step
> in the evolution of Flash". Well, as I said before Adobe abandoned the
> Open Screen Project trademarks with USPTO, so I snatched them with the
> intend to take it where Adobe left it, and all the way this time.
> -Stephane

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