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From Jesse Nicholson <ascensionsyst...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Let's talk about Flex 5
Date Tue, 09 Dec 2014 23:01:46 GMT
It works in Chrome as well. But that doesn't matter. It's not full blown
because it's not a complete product. Besides, its a stupid toy project
meant to demonstrate running a fast VM inside a fast VM. His post is
retarded, he's a flash developer in denial that his career path is over.
Apparently you are too? Or maybe IBM has a bunch of flex based projects
that you're here to make sure keep running?

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:53 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosmallm@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson <
> ascensionsystems@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > @Jude, tbh I skimmed over half of your post.
>
>
> Not cool.  I think you should go back and read it because he makes a lot of
> sense.
>
>
> > I didn't say plugins are bad,
> > at all, ever. Did you click the links I posted here? Did you see a full
> > blown actionscript virtual machine in pure JS that emulates everything
> > flash does in the browser?
>
>
> On one browser.  What about the other browsers?
> Also, it is no where near a full blown implementation.  Take a look for
> yourself:
>
> https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/search?p=40&q=notImplemented&utf8=%E2%9C%93
> https://github.com/mozilla/shumway/wiki/Big-Picture
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
>
>
> > I'm not really sure there is anything more to
> > say after that. Just because there are 2 billion installations (if that
> > number is real) of flash, that really doesn't mean anything. There are
> > probably 100 billion installations of microsoft solitaire on windows
> > computers, that does not equal 100 billion people playing solitaire.
> >
> > At its height, Adobe estimated the flash developer community to be
> around 2
> > million people. When I job search, I can find about 1-2 flash developer
> > jobs in all of Ontario (where I live). 5 years ago, there were pages upon
> > pages. With all due respect, fighting the future is what killed flash in
> > the first place. If we bring that mentality to flex, it'll die with it. I
> > don't want to see that happen. My comments are not to inflame or offend
> > anyone.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM, jude <flexcapacitor@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jesse,
> > > Welcome to the group. You're perspective is welcome. But one thing I'm
> > sick
> > > of hearing and have to disagree with is the Flash is dead argument. If
> > it's
> > > in use it's not dead. It's used by over 2 billion people and used
> > regularly
> > > to create mobile AIR apps. The browser can't compete yet and there are
> > > still many shortcomings. Here is my response on Quora,
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.quora.com/Adobe-Flash/How-did-Flash-die-so-quickly/answer/Judah-Frangipane
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > > The whole argument that plugins are bad is absurd. That's saying
> software
> > > that works with other software is bad. Plugins are one of the best
> > > advancements we have made in computer science. Being able to add
> plugins
> > to
> > > Ableton, Fruity Loops, ProTools, Photoshop, Illustrator and so on has
> > > vastly increased the capabilities and services that original software
> had
> > > to offer. Plugins have INCREASED the value of the original software.
> And
> > > browsers (gasp!) are also software that allow plugins.
> > >
> > > Without Flash and other plugins we wouldn't have had progressive and
> > > streaming video or premium content available in the browser. We
> wouldn't
> > > have chat, microphone or video camera apps in the browser. We wouldn't
> > have
> > > had animation, right to left text and international text layout. We
> > > wouldn't have hundreds of thousands of games or game developers or app
> > > developers who got started with AS3 and Flash and other plugins. And
> one
> > of
> > > the best advantages plugins have over the host software is that they
> can
> > be
> > > enabled or disabled! You have choice with a plugin where with the
> > original
> > > software you can't disable something that may be resource intensive.
> > > Without plugins we'd have apps for every single site that required
> > features
> > > the browser didn't supply or nothing at all.
> > >
> > > Flash and AIR have been improving and growing as a technology for the
> > last
> > > 10+ years. It's mind blowing that it's reaching it's stride and
> becoming
> > > one of the best platforms to develop and people are saying to throw it
> > out.
> > > What we need to do is get Adobe to invest more back into it (rather
> than
> > > doing the least amount without causing a revolt) or spin it off to it's
> > own
> > > company. That and reduce all the misinformation out there about
> plugins.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Jesse Nicholson <
> > > ascensionsystems@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I forgot to mention something that I think is worth mentioning with
> > > regard
> > > > to the debate of "can pure JS/HTML do what the flash runtime can." To
> > > > answer that, just look at Mozilla Shumway, a full blown AVM2 virtual
> > > > machine written in pure JS. Too bad it didn't have some kind of AOT
> > > > functionality.:)
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/mozilla/shumway
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Jesse Nicholson <
> > > > ascensionsystems@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Like I said I'm new here, I respect everyone, I don't mean to be
> the
> > > > > armchair expert at flex and the apache-flex community. But, perhaps
> > > part
> > > > of
> > > > > the issues faced here is a lack of a clear goal for the future and
> a
> > > lack
> > > > > of a clear, independent identity, as a product and a team.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jesse Nicholson
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jesse Nicholson
> >
>



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Jesse Nicholson

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