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From Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
Subject AW: AW: Falcon and Antlr4
Date Tue, 22 Jul 2014 12:01:56 GMT
Ok ... so it seems that in order to procede here, I have to get in touch with the JBurg guys.

Currently JBurg is linked against Antlr2 and 3 but is incompatable with Antlr4. So in order
to safely use JBurg as code generator, I would have to update JBurg to support Antlr4 :-(

The project doesn't look that complex, but I think I should concentrate on Flexmojos falcon
support first :-(


Von: Christofer Dutz <christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Juli 2014 10:06
An: dev@flex.apache.org
Betreff: AW: AW: Falcon and Antlr4

Ok ... so I created a "falcon-antlr4" branch (Haven't comitted/pushed that yet so don't look
for it yet ;-) ).

I am now trying to setup the compiler modules structure as a native maven project and will
try to get everything up and running with Antlr4

One thing I did notice is that the parsers seem to consist of some Antlr grammar files as
well as JFlex .lex files. Is it possible that both are actually doing the same thing?
You said in a previous post that JFlex was used to make the Eclipse suppot more responsive,
but if it is only used for that I would like to concentrate an an Anltr4 based parser and
throwing out the JFlex stuff making Eclipse use the Antlr4 parser instead after finishing
the parser itself ... would that be a valid approach?

In recent projects I have had a lot of trouble and strange effects when not using the standard
maven directory layout because some third party tools make assumptions that might not apply
in non-maven-structures. On the other hand making an Ant buildscript run with a maven directory
strucure is as easy as adjusting a few paths. So I would go that path instead. Would that
be ok for you?

Currently this would result in the sources being placed in:
src/main/java (Java Sources)
src/main/antlr4 (Antlr Grammar Files)
src/main/resources (Static Resources such as i18n property files, and other static stuff)

After reading the source, the ant build script and a lot of googling at least I think I now
know how to approach this task and I think I's absolutely manageable ... really looking forward
to this.


Von: Gordon Smith <gsmithsf@hotmail.com>
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Juli 2014 17:11
An: dev@flex.apache.org
Betreff: Re: AW: Falcon and Antlr4

> why are we mixing up several tools that all seem to be doing similar thing

Falcon's lexer and parser were borrowed from the Flash Builder code base, where they supported
various edit-time code intelligence features, but not compilation. I think the Flash Builder
team had determined that JFlex could tokenize faster than Antlr 2 could. But I don't know
whether that is still the case with Antlr 3 and 4.

- Gordon

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 16, 2014, at 3:14 PM, "Christofer Dutz" <christofer.dutz@c-ware.de> wrote:
> Ok so that would have been my second question ... why are we mixing up several tools
that all seem to be doing similar things :-)
> I definitely like to do some cleaning up. But depending on if any or which talks are
accepter for the ApacheCon I might have to finish some other things first ;-)
> Chris
> PS: Will be offline for a few days ...
> -----Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Gordon Smith [mailto:gsmithsf@hotmail.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. Juli 2014 17:19
> An: dev@flex.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Falcon and Antlr4
> You might also want to look into eliminating JFlex and have Antlr handle tokenization
as well.
> - Gordon
> Sent from my iPad
>> On Jul 16, 2014, at 8:06 AM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>> Good luck.  I'm interested in anything that would speed up Falcon.
>> Please work in a branch.
>>> On 7/16/14 2:44 AM, "Christofer Dutz" <christofer.dutz@c-ware.de> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> while I was havin a first look at the internals of Falcon, I was
>>> surprized to find a mixture of Antlr2 & Antlr3 grammars for creating
>>> the parsers.
>>> In a first moment I thought it would be a good idea to migrate the
>>> Antlr2 grammars ASParser.g and MetadataParser.g to Antlr3 but after
>>> finding out that IntelliJ now has a neat Antlr4 plugin and reading a
>>> bit about the differences from 2 and 3 to 4 it sounded like a good
>>> idea to migrate all to Antlr4. To me it looks as if the way things
>>> are processed in Antlr4 would make the grammars a lot easier as well
>>> as implementing the rule logic. My gut-feeling tells me that an
>>> Antlr4 parser should need less processing and be quite a bit faster.
>>> I did experiment a little on the CSS grammar and successfully created
>>> an Antlr4 version of that ... so I guess it should be possible and it
>>> would clean up things quite dramatically.
>>> What I particularly liked, was that Antlr4 automatically generates a
>>> Listener interface for any rule it finds generating an "enter{ruleneme}"
>>> and "exit{rulename}" as well as a base-class implementing this interface.
>>> Now all of the java code we had to enter in the rule-document can now
>>> be defined in a FalconCssListener class that extends this CSSBaseListener.
>>> This is where the Java code can be added to handle the rules and we
>>> can easily debug it (I know you could set breakpoints in the
>>> generated code, but I allways disliked that).
>>> What do you think? ... Would it be a good idea to give something like
>>> that a try? After all ... it's just 3 grammars (CSS, ASParser and
>>> MetadataParser). But I have to admit that the ASParser grammar looks
>>> way more complex than the CSS and the MetadataParser grammar.
>>> Chris

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