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From Tom Chiverton ...@extravision.com>
Subject Re: Installer Revisited
Date Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:55:24 GMT
You can have multiple different JDK versions at once can't you ? Even on 
Windows ?

I didn't think we were suggesting not having a GUI installer for the 
SDK, just that under the hood it would call an ant task ?

Tom

On 17/12/2013 14:46, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote:
> Sure, having Java installed is pretty standard now-a-days, but the bigger
> question is -- which Java?  My development machine at work is locked to the
> 1.5 JDK as the default because they use some crazy Oracle Forms app.  This
> is the same with the other 25 developers in my division.
>
> This means installing ant and getting it to work right is a constant game
> of 'wack-a-mole' as far as JDK versions.
>
> All in all, I'm in favor of keeping the AIR installer.  Maybe we supply an
> ANT script for the linux folks but I like the feeling of the
> eat-your-own-dogfood installer. Not only does it remove a whole lot of
> hurdles (remember before we had the installer, and all the crazy steps our
> newbies had to follow in order to even download the full SDK?), but it is
> clean, easy to use and works very well.  Just supplying an ANT script is
> fine for the hard-core developers, but we will lose out too all the folks
> that want a true 1-click install (the type Adobe used to provide).
>
> -Nick
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Maurice Amsellem <
> maurice.amsellem@systar.com> wrote:
>
>>> I don't think we can expect Java to be installed on our end user machines.
>> On end-users machines, no.
>> But I would expect the Installer / SDK to be installed by developers, not
>> "end-users".
>> Having Java installed on a developer machine is almost a requirement
>> nowadays, whatever language you are working with.
>>
>> Don't you think so?
>>
>> Maurice
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : omuppi1@gmail.com [mailto:omuppi1@gmail.com] De la part de OmPrakash
>> Muppirala
>> Envoyé : lundi 16 décembre 2013 20:15
>> À : dev@flex.apache.org
>> Objet : Re: Installer Revisited
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's interesting.
>>>
>>> On Mac, folks are given a dmg file that essentially installs the
>>> installer and I don't believe it requires that AIR is already
>>> installed.  Or am I wrong about that?
>>>
>> Yes, no need for an AIR install.  The installer has the runtime packaged
>> with it.
>>
>>
>>> On Linux, you're saying the package we create still requires a
>>> separate install of AIR?
>>>
>>> I'm not a huge fan of the "install the installer" experience.  I don't
>>> know if there is an alternative when using AIR.  That's one reason why
>>> I'm hoping to leverage the installer to be able to install other
>>> Apache Flex stuff (and maybe other stuff as well).  It looks like
>>> node.js has a package manager that sort of does the same thing.  So
>>> does cygwin setup on Windows.
>>>
>> The way the Installer was designed was to minimize the number of updates,
>> but rather to drive all the actions via the config xml as much as possible.
>>   In that spirit, driving it off of an Ant (ish) xml file makes much more
>> sense.
>>
>> A lot of software does the 'install the installer' these days.  As long as
>> it is a one click process (which our Installer is), we should'nt worry
>> about it too much, IMHO.
>>
>>
>>> But having to install AIR separately on Linux would be annoying.
>>
>> On Linux, we can probably assume that Ant is already installed, or just a
>> 'yum install' away from being available.  That way, they can just use the
>> ant script just as well.
>>
>>
>>> Can we
>>> count on Java being on every OS?  I heard it isn't on WinXP.  Do we
>>> need to support that?
>>>
>> I don't think we can expect Java to be installed on our end user machines.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Om
>>
>>
>>> -Alex
>>>
>>> On 12/16/13 2:49 AM, "Tom Chiverton" <tc@extravision.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 16/12/2013 10:44, Maurice Amsellem wrote:
>>>>>> AIR isn't required for*using*  the SDK one it is built, right ?
>>>>> Do you mean AIR runtime, or AIR SDK ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maurice
>>>> AIR the runtime.
>>>> Assuming I don't target an AIR application, then I suppose the AIR
>>>> SDK is required, but this is installed by the installer.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>
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