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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Moving JIRA emails to a new list
Date Wed, 29 May 2013 00:27:40 GMT
You should allow a lot longer than 30 minutes before calling a vote.

Like maybe 72 hours.

Regards,
Dave

On May 28, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Erik de Bruin wrote:

> Let's vote!
> 
> EdB
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>> Vote is required according to [1]
>> 
>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#new-mailing-list
>> 
>> On 5/28/13 11:45 AM, "Erik de Bruin" <erik@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>> 
>>> Shouldn't everyone be able to subscribe? Or are you saying that but
>>> did I miss it... ;-)
>>> 
>>> EdB
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:32 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala
>>> <bigosmallm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Okay, moving to a new thread.
>>>> 
>>>> Do we need a vote for this or is there sufficient consensus in the
>>>> community?
>>>> 
>>>> We dont want to lose people because of all the spam that gets generated
>>>> by
>>>> the JIRA emails.  That should be a big priority for us.
>>>> 
>>>> The proposal is:
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  Create a list: jira@flex.apache.org.
>>>> 2.  All JIRA emails generated by
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX will
>>>> go to jira@flex.apache.org
>>>> 3.  No JIRA emails will be sent to dev@flex.apache.org
>>>> 4.  We add all committers and PMC members to the jira@flex.apache.org
>>>> list
>>>> 5.  When a new committer/PMC member is inducted, we add them to the
>>>> jira@flex.apache.org as one of the setup activities.
>>>> 
>>>> Any comments/suggestions?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Om
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> +1 on the JIRA on another list, do we need a vote on that, or can we
>>>>> just ask INFRA for it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe this discussion should be in a separate thread, however...
>>>>> 
>>>>> EdB
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski
>>>>> <nicholas@spoon.as>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I would prefer JIRA activity to be on another list.  I've heard from
>>>>> quite
>>>>>> a few people in my User Group that they dropped off dev@ people of
>>>>> the
>>>>>> noise of JIRA.   I think those of us who want to know what is
>>>>> committed
>>>>>> will subscribe to those (plus, it makes filtering those messages
>>>>> into a
>>>>>> separate folder easier ;P  )
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Nick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/28/13 10:25 AM, "Greg Reddin" <gredbug@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Greg, do you think donations like these need to have
a goal of
>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> integrated with Apache Flex or becoming its own project?
>>>>> Personally,
>>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>> be ok with Apache Flex being a warehouse of all kinds
of
>>>>> Flex-related
>>>>>>>>> code
>>>>>>>>> even if there is no active development for it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There's a couple of things to consider here:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 1) The board does not favor "umbrella" projects. Jakarta
was an
>>>>> umbrella
>>>>>>>> project and it contained (at one time) Struts, Tomcat, Commons,
>>>>> JMeter,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> a whole bunch of Java-related projects. It became clear that
the
>>>>> Jakarta
>>>>>>>> community was too fragmented to get consensus so it spun
off all
>>>>> those
>>>>>>>> projects into TLPs. That could easily start to happen here.
>>>>>>> That would make sense for Jakarta, especially if there was active
>>>>>>> development on all of those pieces.  I'm not sure that will be
the
>>>>> case
>>>>>>> here.  I think there's a good chance that these application
>>>>> frameworks
>>>>> may
>>>>>>> not have much activity.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For me, incubation was so much work that it seems easier to take
>>>>> these
>>>>>>> code donations and see if a community forms around it and then
spin
>>>>> it
>>>>> off
>>>>>>> than going through the whole
>>>>>>> proposal/initial-committers/mentors/infra-setup/graduation process.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 2) This mailing list is already too high-traffic to follow.
>>>>> Practically,
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> could probably already split up the Flex project into multiple
>>>>> projects.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> seems to me that folks are starting to gel around different
>>>>> efforts,
>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> getting new releases of the SDK, vs. compilers, etc. It could
be
>>>>> that
>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> need to form new PMCs or it could be that we just need to
enact
>>>>>>>> sub-projects. But we have to be careful with sub-projects
to avoid
>>>>> point 1
>>>>>>>> above.
>>>>>>> What are your thoughts on just having more mailing lists?  We
toyed
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the notion of having all JIRA activity on a different list. 
I
>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>> looked at the stats, but Erik and I haven't done much
>>>>>>> Falcon/FalconJX/FlexJS work over the last two weeks and I'm not
sure
>>>>>>> there's been less activity on the dev list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Alex
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ix Multimedia Software
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jan Luykenstraat 27
>>>>> 3521 VB Utrecht
>>>>> 
>>>>> T. 06-51952295
>>>>> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Ix Multimedia Software
>>> 
>>> Jan Luykenstraat 27
>>> 3521 VB Utrecht
>>> 
>>> T. 06-51952295
>>> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Ix Multimedia Software
> 
> Jan Luykenstraat 27
> 3521 VB Utrecht
> 
> T. 06-51952295
> I. www.ixsoftware.nl


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