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From Alain Ekambi <jazzmatad...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Flex 5 in haxe
Date Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:39:09 GMT
Now not every company build apps at the scale of FaceBook.
For most of the case HTML5 mobile apps + PhoneGap(Cordova) are  pretty good.

2012/11/21 Hordur Thordarson <hordur@lausn.is>

> On 20.11.2012, at 22:14, Kevin Newman wrote:
> > Mark Zuckerberg also said very publicly that Facebook "burned" (his
> word) 2 years of development with HTML5, "We burned two years. That's
> really painful. Probably we will look back saying that is one of the
> *biggest mistakes* if not *the biggest strategic mistake* that we made." It
> was less of a "cave" and more of a fundamental shift in understanding (and
> a correct one).
> Agreed and that's really what I ment by "caved in", they just realized it
> was never going to be as good as a native app.  The problem with HTML5/JS
> as an app mechanism is that it just wasn't designed for that.  Some changes
> have been made to it in order to make it easier to write applications (as
> opposed to web sites which is a totally different thing) but it really
> isn't very good for that at all except maybe for small apps.  The JavaFX
> crowd is having the exact same discussion the Flex crowd is, except pretty
> much no one in the JavaFX crowd wants to deploy to HTML/JS.  They want
> JavaFX runtimes for mobile so that they can have one set of code and the
> same or very similar runtime everywhere (sound familiar ?).  And the
> community is actually working towards a solution that gives them that.  But
> Oracle, like Adobe, seems to have given into the "HTML5 for everything"
> rhetoric so they are at least currently not backing this.
> >
> > This is where Adobe has an opportunity with AIR, that they seem intent
> on failing to capitalize on (at least in their marketing narratives, and
> the signals the decision makers are sending out into the market place - the
> Flash engineers are doing pretty cool stuff with stage3D and whatnot).
> Yep, very frustrating that Adobe gave up on this vision because they had
> by far the strongest dev/deployment story out there with almost the best of
> everything. with Flash player or AIR for the desktop and AIR for mobile and
> almost single source for all the platforms (UI tweaks/diffs for
> phones/tablets obviously).  This is of course still possible, we just don't
> know how long it is going to last :-(  But while it works, I hope Apache
> Flex will continue to be maintained/improved in it's current shape.
> >
> > Anyway, Apache Flex doesn't need to wait for Adobe's higher-ups to
> figure it out - Flex can go HaXe, and have a multi-platform ubiquity story
> and an open source story to boot.
> Sure.  I have to say though that my clients don't really care if the tools
> I use are open source or not or whether the language I write in is
> ActionScript or Haxe or smth else.  They care about functionality,
> usability, cross-platformness and ease of deployment/updating of the
> resulting product, and they also want development to cost as little as
> possible, hence the less problems I have during dev and the less testing I
> have to do in multiple browsers or with multiple runtimes, the better.
> >
> > Kevin N.
> >
> >
> > On 11/17/12 5:25 AM, Hordur Thordarson wrote:
> >> Eventually FB caved in and created a fully native app.
> >

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