Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EED9DC0F for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 85603 invoked by uid 500); 22 Oct 2012 13:47:00 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-flex-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 85572 invoked by uid 500); 22 Oct 2012 13:47:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact flex-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 85563 invoked by uid 99); 22 Oct 2012 13:47:00 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:47:00 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.5 required=5.0 tests=FRT_ADOBE2,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of stefan.horochovec@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.217.175] (HELO mail-lb0-f175.google.com) (209.85.217.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:46:55 +0000 Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id y2so1548507lbk.6 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:46:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Yddb55ANiOg7WDk3HNECR7fEX0C6YTuL2sGhKxbW9wA=; b=DMt8iEPq2a1RnPIhG7N6xG+Zyq9NqXtosvfm/4hgxeUMlMt+NYlxfs6xOXIF5Exumh K+spBGugctjMcRSXiPMCF6LHyjK86+m76UMc2wgPSlqtW5HvqZgNzjUly61xXXJmprk0 PE4NolKOj8XW/6Af+MGrBO+RqszEleSpnIWcuBIUYWx2pqKpQGqXNisRUS9TRI3ZBShM aYEFZefEvjU0kwHElN+pPMCywe2/UbOLBmdhXfsrFQ8GOoyGjeInce9bsYXEtPsirRM5 DOITRbBPJOwMxwvsJEvUYa5We370WtEQizxPHbymW1gDwMLzjsBFVX8mgqwceAeY16JU FwZw== Received: by 10.112.39.138 with SMTP id p10mr3694422lbk.54.1350913593587; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:46:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.31.197 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 06:46:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Stefan Horochovec Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:46:13 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release InstallApacheFlex 1.0 - RC7 To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=485b390f7ac4de39f104cca6141b X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --485b390f7ac4de39f104cca6141b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hans I dont have any problem when I import the project for my workspace. You linked the common/src in your project? Regards Stefan Horochovec 2012/10/22 Stefan Horochovec > Erik > > You check the path that I send on > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223 ? > > I believe this bug can be happening in different ways, since the MacOS > environment with AIR 3.4 (Alex) the result was a little different from > mine. He did not return to the environment in Portuguese, and set it > manually to see the error. > > My idea for fix this is the app read in first time the resources of the > default language of the installer, after, it loads the operating system > language of the user. This way the app will point the texts of the defaul= t > language when user language is not contained translating. > > Stefan Horochovec > > > 2012/10/22 Erik de Bruin > >> Hans, >> >> Can you please create a JIRA ticket with your "functionality" remarks >> (below)? I will start work on this soon after the release of v 1.0, >> and having this all at hand in JIRA will help me a lot. >> >> Thanks, >> >> EdB >> >> >> >> > Here is what I found for the functionality: >> > - The name of the application looks kinda weird: "InstallApacheFlex". >> Can't we just change this to "Apache Flex Installer", and maybe even put= it >> default in a "Apache Flex" folder (since I think this is only a until, a= nd >> not really a very important standalone application). >> > - The disclaimer button does not perform any action, it is just a link >> to the disclaimer. So I believe from a usability viewing point, this sho= uld >> be a LinkButton instead of a Button, right? >> > - I think the "SHOW LOG" button should not be inside the application, >> but rather be a NativeMenuItem. >> > - For the licenses, is it really necessary to agree on all of them >> separately? (I think this has been discussed before, but I thought I'd j= ust >> mention it in case it wasn't). >> > >> > Also, the design does indeed need to be cleaned up a little bit (the >> buttons don't always rescale -- for instance when you switch to Dutch, t= he >> "Install" button says "Install=85" because the button's label isn't >> rescaling). >> > If I find the time I will try to have a look at it more and discuss it= . >> > >> > I hope I didn't repeat anything that what was said before too much. >> > >> > H. >> > >> > Hans Van den Keybus | dotdotcommadot.com >> > Mail: hans@dotdotcommadot.com >> > Phone: 0032 (0) 486 16 30 69 >> > >> > On 20-okt.-2012, at 02:37, Stefan Horochovec < >> stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Well >> >> >> >> You can see this video, I'm recording to show how the bug happen >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2AlmwX75RqM >> >> >> >> >> >> Stefan Horochovec >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2012/10/19 Stefan Horochovec >> >> >> >>> Alex >> >>> >> >>> What AIR version you are running? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Stefan Horochovec >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2012/10/19 Alex Harui >> >>> >> >>>> Changing vote to -1 because of locale issue. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 10/19/12 8:05 AM, "Alex Harui" wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> I'm not going to change my vote at this point, but consider these >> >>>> points: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 1) Why would doing a point release right after be less work and ge= t >> more >> >>>>> involvement? >> >>>>> 2) Why do we think we will get two other mentor/IPMC votes if they >> >>>> review >> >>>>> the dev-list and see this issue? >> >>>>> 3) Why do we think we will get mentor/IPMC attention again right >> away >> >>>> with a >> >>>>> follow-up point release >> >>>>> 4) I have seen this issue twice in English, but wasn't able to >> >>>> reproduce it. >> >>>>> 5) I would rather the next installer release coincide with a new >> Apache >> >>>> Flex >> >>>>> SDK release like a 4.8.1 in a month or so from now. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> To me, 7 RC's is not a lot. Sometimes, important bugs get found >> late >> >>>> in the >> >>>>> game. Sure, it is frustrating, but you will certainly get enough >> PPMC >> >>>> votes >> >>>>> on an RC8. However, right now we are waiting on getting IPMC vote= s >> and >> >>>> I >> >>>>> don't know why they would vote just to get something out the door >> if it >> >>>>> isn't handling strings properly. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 10/19/12 5:51 AM, "Stefan Horochovec" < >> stefan.horochovec@gmail.com> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Hello everybody, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The installer works, as I spent the walkthrough in JIRA and in my >> last >> >>>>>> email, that information may be contained on the page to access th= e >> >>>>>> Installer. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I upgraded my vote to -1 because I have found a bug. I shared the >> same >> >>>>>> opinion of Christophe Herreman, it=B4s my opinion too. Where he s= aid: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> "I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will >> lead to >> >>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache Flex >> to the >> >>>>>> users." >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> But I also agree with you that we need this release which is bein= g >> >>>> awaited >> >>>>>> for so long, and for sure will help many people to have the new >> Apache >> >>>> Flex >> >>>>>> SDK. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Erik and Om >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I opened a ticket [1] in JIRA with the comparison of the >> translations >> >>>> of >> >>>>>> languages available today, and put them separate group with all t= he >> >>>>>> messages. I would suggest this as the default for new messages, t= o >> >>>> make it >> >>>>>> easier to find what should be done the translation, because when >> you >> >>>> add a >> >>>>>> new key, you can already tag them in an area of translation for >> each >> >>>>>> language. The work of comparing one by one consuming too much tim= e. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33224 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Regards >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 2012/10/19 Christophe Herreman >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> OK all, thanks for the feedback. I agree that we need to release >> >>>> often and >> >>>>>>> early, although in certain cases it doesn't feel quite right. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Since there are no blocking issues, a release is justified I >> guess. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> +1 (binding) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> regards, >> >>>>>>> Christophe >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Om >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> This issue will be fixed in the next release. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I know and agree that this is not perfect, but we cannot delay = a >> >>>> release >> >>>>>>>> till we get everything perfect. We will never release anything >> if we >> >>>>>>> wait >> >>>>>>>> to fix every issue that we discover. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> This is not a release blocker issue, nor does it have security >> >>>>>>>> implications. We cannot delay the release any longer especiall= y >> >>>> after so >> >>>>>>>> many people have voted for the release. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> The patch has been contributed and it will be committed asap. = We >> >>>> will be >> >>>>>>>> making a follow up release soon. Also, we are shipping with an >> auto >> >>>>>>> update >> >>>>>>>> mechanism that will ensure that folks get the subsequent >> releases for >> >>>>>>> sure. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >> >>>>>>>> Om >> >>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2012 1:57 AM, "Christophe Herreman" < >> >>>>>>>> christophe.herreman@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Sorry about this, but why would you release the installer in >> it's >> >>>>>>> current >> >>>>>>>>> state? I know there is a lot of "pressure" and excitement to g= et >> >>>> this >> >>>>>>>>> released, but there are currently clearly some bigger issues >> with >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>>>> proposed RC in terms of translations. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> IMO it's better to delay the release until the most serious >> issues >> >>>> are >> >>>>>>>>> fixed than to release now, knowing that it will cause problems >> for >> >>>>>>>> (perhaps >> >>>>>>>>> a minor part of ) the users. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just worried that this will >> lead >> >>>> to >> >>>>>>>>> frustration and a feeling of low quality coming from Apache >> Flex to >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>>>> users. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> kind regards, >> >>>>>>>>> Christophe >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Carlos Rovira >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes...please, release.... >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Omar Gonzalez : >> >>>>>>>>>>> Release, release, release!!! >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -omar >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, October 18, 2012, Erik de Bruin wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan, >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I understand the problem, and I see the implications. That'= s >> why >> >>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>>>> push for a quick "point" update AFTER this release, to adre= ss >> >>>> this >> >>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>> other known issues. In fact, I'll enter your fix into the >> source >> >>>>>>>> this >> >>>>>>>>>>>> weekend, if it checks out. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, I sense that after 7 (!) release candidates, a kin= d >> of >> >>>>>>>> 'vote >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fatigue' is setting in. By this I mean that if we do anothe= r >> RC, >> >>>> I >> >>>>>>>>>>>> think we might not get enough votes just because people wil= l >> not >> >>>>>>>>>>>> bother to enter theirs again (and again, and again). >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I therefor recommend that we use the votes we now have to d= o >> a >> >>>>>>>>> release. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> EdB >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Stefan Horochovec >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's possible to run the installer in operating systems th= at >> >>>>>>> have >> >>>>>>>>>>>> language >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> available on Installer and that is different from en_US, >> >>>>>>> however, >> >>>>>>>>>> have to >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be done the process of changing the language of the >> installer >> >>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>>>>> en_US. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you try to install and don't change the language to >> en_US, >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> installation dont work. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Log of installation (sorry, in portuguese): >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Buscado o espelho da URL de download do SDK a partir do CG= I. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diret=F3rio do Apache Flex >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Criando diret=F3rio tempor=E1rio >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> N=E3o foi poss=EDvel criar o diret=F3rio tempor=E1rio >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Instala=E7=E3o abortada >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And here you can see the steps: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 - >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549807/step1.png >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 - >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549808/step2.png >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 - >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549809/step3.png >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 - >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12549810/step4.png >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this is a very critical problem, a time may >> come >> >>>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>>>>>>> affect >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a large number of people. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/19 Erik de Bruin >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your contribution! As we discussed, I'll lo= ok >> >>>>>>> into >> >>>>>>>>> your >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> patches as soon as I can, and I'm sure they will prove >> valid >> >>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you agree that if we do an update soon, lack of tru= e >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> internationalisation shouldn't be a deal breaker for this >> first >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> EdB >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Stefan Horochovec >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first test was done in an environment in English, but >> >>>>>>> when I >> >>>>>>>>>>>> changed >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS to my local language (Portuguese), to test the >> >>>>>>> translations, >> >>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> result >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was not good. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In step where are defined which license will be accepted= , >> >>>>>>> just >> >>>>>>>> no >> >>>>>>>>>>>> option >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left appears only when the switch is made the select= ed >> >>>>>>>>>> language. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ex: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change to english, and then go back to my default >> language. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I submitted the bug in JIRA, and also submitted a patch >> >>>>>>> (which >> >>>>>>>> if >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted) >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causes the installer to load the translation of default >> >>>>>>>> language >> >>>>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer and then load the installation user's language= , >> so >> >>>>>>>> when >> >>>>>>>>>>>> getting >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some text missing will interface with all texts, some no= t >> >>>>>>>>>> translated. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This whole environment is only valid when the Installer = is >> >>>>>>>>> launched >> >>>>>>>>>>>> on an >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating system that contains a translation and the sam= e >> is >> >>>>>>>>>> detected >> >>>>>>>>>>>> by >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the installer before being read keys for translation int= o >> >>>>>>>>> English. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33223 >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stefan Horochovec >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/10/18 Om >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds good. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will wait one more day for Dave Fisher to vote here. >> >>>>>>> After >> >>>>>>>>>> that I >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post the vote thread on general. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Om >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Carol Frampton < >> >>>>>>>>>> cframpto@adobe.com >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira >> >>>>>>>>>> Director de Tecnolog=EDa >> >>>>>>>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05 >> >>>>>>>>>> F: +34 912 35 57 77 >> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.codeoscopic.com >> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.directwriter.es >> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.avant2.es >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>> Christophe Herreman >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >> >>>>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> Christophe Herreman >> >>>>>>> http://www.herrodius.com >> >>>>>>> http://www.springactionscript.org >> >>>>>>> http://www.as3commons.org >> >>>>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Alex Harui >> >>>> Flex SDK Team >> >>>> Adobe Systems, Inc. >> >>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Ix Multimedia Software >> >> Jan Luykenstraat 27 >> 3521 VB Utrecht >> >> T. 06-51952295 >> I. www.ixsoftware.nl >> > > --485b390f7ac4de39f104cca6141b--