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No war between HTML5 and AIR here.
You already can run on AIR.
The fact that Flex don't run on HTML5 at all (even with lightweight 
version) is a big drawback in the framework war.
And AIR is not safe for long term future for Apache Flex because of 
Adobe dependency.
And i don't see why is would be hard to do both.
The objective is to be multiplatform framework, unless its pointless.


Le 05/10/2012 15:46, Charles Monteiro a �crit :
> I'm wondering if most in this group are more interested about targeting
> html5 than air because it seems to me it would be hard to do both well.
>
> I want to run on AIR.
>   On Oct 5, 2012 9:38 AM, "s�bastien Paturel" <sebpatu.flex@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with others that you should abandone the idea that Adobe could get
>> Catalyst back from the dead.
>> They have been pretty clear about it, and the open sourcing is not an
>> option because of code dependencies.
>>
>> Your only chance to see catalyst come back from Adobe, is to make Apache
>> Flex te best framework for HTML5 runtime!
>>
>>
>> Le 04/10/2012 00:48, Sebastian Mohr a �crit :
>>
>>> @christofer dutz ... thanks for sharing your thoughts. +1 from my side!
>>> Flash Catalyst CS5.5 is a charm for interaction designers like me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely Yours,
>>>
>>> Sebastian Mohr
>>> Apache Flex Developer (PPMC),
>>> Interaction Designer & Musician
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/**masuland<http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2012, at 7:21 PM, christofer.dutz@c-ware.de wrote:
>>>
>>>   Well isn't it usually that way around?
>>>> I create some general UI scetches using some tools like blamiq mockups
>>>> and deal with negoitating the functionallity with my customers. As soon as
>>>> the component works as desired I go "pimp my app" and give it to a designer
>>>> to have it pimped.
>>>>
>>>> Using Catalyst this was really easy (As soon as you had a desiger at
>>>> hand that was used to it and it's concepts). I was even able to let the
>>>> designer skin a running application deployed by me somewhere on the web, so
>>>> I didn't have give away the code of the application itself or setup the
>>>> environment at the designers office. This workflow was the major
>>>> breakthrough for me and was one of the major things that made me shift
>>>> allmost entirely to the Flex road.
>>>>
>>>> It's a real pitty to have it dropped and wasted :-(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 3. Oktober 2012 18:18
>>>> An: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Betreff: Re: AW: Financing the Design View AIR App (Was: Re: Design View
>>>> AIR App)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/12 7:38 AM, "christofer.dutz@c-ware.de" <
>>>> christofer.dutz@c-ware.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Oh ... let me thow in a little more weight for the Catalyst ;-)
>>>>> I invested quite some time in setting up a project structure that
>>>>> allowed me to concentrate on developing (Using an ugly but functional
>>>>> developer Skin) and having professional Designers use Catalyst to Skin
>>>>> the application.
>>>>> Unfortunately it seemed that the designers available on the market
>>>>> were all even less "finished" than the Catalyst project, but as soon
>>>>> as the designers got the hang of it, the results were pretty
>>>>> sattisfying and I had what I was allways dreaming about: Being able to
>>>>> concentrate on the functionality and have a designer do all the stuff
>>>>> that sells the application (cool buttons, even greater effects and
>>>>> animated transitions, ...) :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be really happy if Adobe didn't entirely drop this tool, and
>>>>> if they did, If they would somehow open-source it.
>>>>>
>>>>>   It is essentially "dropped".  See [1].   There are no plans to
>>>> opensource
>>>> it.  It too had a lot of "baggage" that made it difficult to implement.
>>>>   For example, it really wasn't extensible as to what components it could
>>>> handle.
>>>>
>>>> The principle behind it (that you can take designer art and break it
>>>> down into components) is compelling, but I question whether it remains
>>>> valid in a world of dynamic UI.
>>>>
>>>> It is also interesting to note that you used it in completely different
>>>> way than it was intended.  It was for a design-first-then-develop workflow
>>>> and you did it the other way (which is what I do when I have a choice as
>>>> well).
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.adobe.com/devnet/**flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html<http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/whitepapers/roadmap.html>
>>>> --
>>>> Alex Harui
>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>>>
>>>>