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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:20:02 +0200
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What I think:
- folder name: "Apache Flex"
Further nesting to a folder "Utilities" is unnecessary, since we don't have a=
ny "production" applications (like for instance Flash Builder, or Flash), an=
d most likely never will release any. All of our apps will most likely stay "=
utilities"; applications you only use once in a while. So "Apache Flex" as a=
 root seems sufficient to me as long as we don't have to distinguish "types"=
 of apps, but: a subfolder underneath the "applications/program files" folde=
r is necessary because I think only apps I use on a every day basis should b=
e in the root "Application" folder on my Mac. The "bulk" applications that a=
re mere utils, should be contained in a subfolder.

- a desktop and taskbar shortcut seems irrelevant as wel, since it is very u=
nlikely that people will use this app on a every day basis.

So I would say: just a "clean" installation: an intuitive name I can easily f=
ind when using "spotlight" on my mac, but not too visible/in-your-face insta=
lled because I'm not going to use this app every day.
This will definitely make it look a lot more professional allready :).
Right?


On 24 Oct 2012, at 09:17, Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 23, 2012 11:35 PM, "Erik de Bruin" <erik@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>>=20
>> Ah, a Windows thing ;-) I really didn't see the point, but had no
>> objection... but I'm on a Mac. On Windows, yes, I totally agree that
>> it should be in a general directory 'Apache Flex', but maybe not in
>> it's own subdirectory, but in a directory 'utilities'? And are we (or
>> the Installer installer) creating shortcuts in the Start menu (while
>> it lasts...) and on the Desktop? If so, what are their names?
>>=20
>> All this ties very strongly with the "first impressions" thing, which
>> I feel very strong about.
>>=20
>> EdB
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> It's not just a Windows thing.  The same exact directory structure will be=

> under the /Applications/ directory on the Mac as well.
>=20
> Also, I agree that the name "Apache Flex SDK Installer" sounds much better=
.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Om
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>>=20
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Oct 23, 2012 10:36 PM, "Alex Harui" <aharui@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> I'm ok with reviewing another RC, but I don't think it is necessary.
> At
>>> any
>>>> point in time, we might want to change its name again later to qualify
>>> some
>>>> other aspect of the release.
>>>=20
>>> It is not the name I am worried about.   It is about directory in which
> it
>>> will get installed under.
>>>=20
>>> Instead of installing under Program Files(x86)/InstallApacheFlex/, we
>>> should install it under Program Files(x86)/Apache
> Flex/InstallApacheFlex.
>>> This will help be more organized when we release more utilities/tools.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks,
>>> Om
>>>=20
>>>> I hope for the next SDK release the installer releases at the same time=

>>> and
>>>> shows up in the web page right under it source packages so it is clear
>>> what
>>>> it is going to install.
>>>>=20
>>>> On 10/23/12 10:27 PM, "Erik de Bruin" <erik@ixsoftware.nl> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> You know I'm always up for another RC :-)
>>>>>=20
>>>>> EdB
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Om <bigosmallm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Hans | dotdotcommadot <
>>>>>> hans@dotdotcommadot.com> wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> +1. Great job, definitely!
>>>>>>> Looks and functions good enough for now, although I reeeeally think
>>> the
>>>>>>> name of the application should not be "InstallApacheFlex" but it
>>> should be
>>>>>>> in a folder "Apache Flex" and be called "Apache Flex SDK
> Installer",
>>>>>>> especially for the first official release.
>>>>>> You make too much sense :-)
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> This sounds easy enough to do.   And if we dont do it now, we wont
> be
>>> able
>>>>>> to do this in subsequent releases without causing confusion.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> RC9 okay with folks?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Om
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 19:49, Nicholas Kwiatkowski <nicholas@spoon.as>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> +1 (Binding)
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Good work again guys.  Excited to tell the world about it ;)
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> -Nick
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Hans | dotdotcommadot <
>>>>>>>> hans@dotdotcommadot.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> This is true.
>>>>>>>>> When you build with a different certificate,
>>>>>>>>> you always need to delete the previous installed version of an
>>>>>>> application
>>>>>>>>> in order to install the new version.
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>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> On 23 Oct 2012, at 17:21, Erik de Bruin <erik@ixsoftware.nl>
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> This might be the issue where you need to uninstall a previous
>>> version
>>>>>>>>>> of the app first. Om explained something about certificates...
> Om?
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> EdB
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Carol Frampton <
> cframpto@adobe.com
>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Installed and all went fine.  md5 matched for both platforms.
>>> Line
>>>>>>>>> ending
>>>>>>>>>>> are correct for the platform.  Simple AIR and Players apps
> compile
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> FlashBuilder 4.7 on OSX.
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> However then I clicked the Install InstallApacheFlex icon again
>>> and I
>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>> the "Sorry an error has occurred.  This application can not be
>>>>>>> installed
>>>>>>>>>>> because the installer has been misconfigured."  I expected the
>>> "this
>>>>>>>>>>> application is already installed" message.  Is anyone else
> seeing
>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> Carol
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/22/12 3 :07PM, "Om" <bigosmallm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Issues addressed in this Release Candidate:*
>>>>>>>>>>>> Disabled (i.e. hid) UI for selecting languages.  The app will
> now
>>>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>>>>>>> to en_US.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Other languages will be enabled again in the next release
> after
>>> bug
>>>>>>>>> fixing
>>>>>>>>>>>> and thorough testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the first official release of the InstallApacheFlex
> AIR
>>>>>>>>>>>> application.  The official Apache distribution is the source
> kit
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> contain only source.
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> The source distributions for Windows and Mac are available
> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~bigosmallm/installapacheflex_RC8/
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> The binary distributions as a convenience for the respective
>>>>>>> platforms,
>>>>>>>>>>>> available here:
>>> http://people.apache.org/~bigosmallm/installapacheflex_RC8/binaries/
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Along with the installer, we are releasing the 'badge
> installer'
>>> that
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> be embedded in our site as well as third-party websites.  Here
>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> preview:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/flex/installer.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Before voting please review the section,*
>>>>>>>>>>>> "What are the ASF requirements on approving a release?" at
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#approving-a-release
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Please vote to approve this release:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Approve the release
>>>>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 Veto the release (please provide specific comments)
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> This vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Om & Erik
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Flex PPMC members + Release managers
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Ix Multimedia Software
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> Jan Luykenstraat 27
>>>>>>>>>> 3521 VB Utrecht
>>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>> T. 06-51952295
>>>>>>>>>> I. www.ixsoftware.nl
>>>>=20
>>>> --
>>>> Alex Harui
>>>> Flex SDK Team
>>>> Adobe Systems, Inc.
>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> --
>> Ix Multimedia Software
>>=20
>> Jan Luykenstraat 27
>> 3521 VB Utrecht
>>=20
>> T. 06-51952295
>> I. www.ixsoftware.nl