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From Yvon Sauvageau <ysma...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Design Tool Proposal: Thermo MK2 for Apache Flex
Date Sun, 07 Oct 2012 19:08:37 GMT
It seems you view yourself as an interaction designer, so I can see  
where you're coming from. As a developer (coder), I find these design  
views to be a flawed concept the minute I exit the realm of trivial  
applications. Why? Because in serious applications most of the  
displayed objects are generated dynamically. There's no way a design  
view can predict what and where they will be displayed. Imagine for  
an instant that everything is localized (internationalized) in your  
application. Well, then everything is generated on the fly from the  
contents of some text files. I can tell you that in the latest  
application I worked on, the design view was so confused that it  
generated a total mess, and only the background graphics was  

Of course, I need to present mock ups before coding. I simply use  
Balsamiq Mockup. It's good enough to communicate the general ideas.

What do I use to polish the look? Well, too bad, nowadays I really  
have to use the design view. But it generates a mess in the presence  
of a full fledge application. So what I do is I create small  
independent FB projects wherein I replicate small parts of the  
application and hardcode everything in them. And I use design view to  
tweak this stuff. I say that it's what I'm doing 'nowadays', but in  
the olden days we had something much better. It was called  
Flex3StyleExplorer http://examples.adobe.com/flex3/consulting/ 
styleexplorer/Flex3StyleExplorer.html#. If you could replicate  
something like that, I would be very thankful to you. I suppose  
nowadays it should be called FlexSkinExplorer.


On Oct 7, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Sebastian Mohr wrote:

> Hi there,
> because, it is probably easier for us to have something on the  
> table, rather
> then just to talk about it, I have created a small prototype with  
> Flash Catalyst
> CS5.5 and Flash Builder 4.6. This proposed Design Tool [1] - codenamed
> Thermo MK2 - should be seen as a hybrid of Flash Catalyst CS5.5, the
> "Design View" of Flash Builder 4.6 and the Eclipse IDE.
> Things you can do with Thermo MK2 so far:
> - Switching Perspectives (see top-right)
> - Switching between Source- and Design-Mode (see text editor in the  
> middle)
> Things that Thermo MK2 should do:
> - Thermo MK2 should detect [SkinParts] and [SkinStates] of  
> SkinnableComponents.
> - Thermo MK2 should be able to draw graphics in a FXG 2.0 [2]  
> compliant way.
> - Thermo MK2 should be able to import FXG files, Photoshop and  
> Illustrator files.
> - Thermo MK2 should be able to communicate via a certain API with  
> Flash Builder 4.7 or other IDEs.
> - Thermo MK2 should be able to visually manage and edit CSS files.
> - Thermo MK2 should be able to visually link SkinnableComponents  
> with their Skins inside CSS.
> - Thermo MK2 should be clever about screen sizes (compare with  
> Adobe Edge Reflow [2]).
> The Data-Centric features are not necessarily needed
> because other IDEs would be more appropriate for that.
> That being said: These are the questions I have:
> - Who could finance Thermo MK2?
> - How many people are needed to build Thermo MK2?
> - Which expertise is required to build Thermo MK2?
> - When could Thermo MK2 be released (and sold) in its first version?
> Hopefully, this leads the discussion into
> something more concrete then it was before.
> Sincerely Yours,
> Sebastian Mohr
> Apache Flex Developer (PPMC),
> Interaction Designer & Musician
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/masuland
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/ThermoMK2
> [2] http://sourceforge.net/adobe/flexsdk/wiki/FXG%202.0% 
> 20Specification/
> [3] http://html.adobe.com/edge/reflow/

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